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2008 GS skis - Atomic or Volkl?

post #1 of 18
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So it's time to order for next season. I torn between Atomic and Volkl GS skis. I'd be getting the Volkls in 185 or the Atomics in 186. I was wondering which skis you think will fare better through the rule change. Will the skis feel drastically different from the current model?

I don't know '08 Atomic specs but the current 186 is 102-66-88 with a 25 m radius. I like this ski a lot.

Volkl goes from 106-67-89 in 2007 to 104-67-87 in 2008. Will that make a big difference?
post #2 of 18
The Volkl is a noticeably softer ski, so I'd assume that its going to be a bit easier to handle with less sidecut. It probably won't be that big of a difference, since most 185 GS skis are already in the 24 or 25m zone.
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
So it's time to order for next season. I torn between Atomic and Volkl GS skis. I'd be getting the Volkls in 185 or the Atomics in 186. I was wondering which skis you think will fare better through the rule change. Will the skis feel drastically different from the current model?

I don't know '08 Atomic specs but the current 186 is 102-66-88 with a 25 m radius. I like this ski a lot.

Volkl goes from 106-67-89 in 2007 to 104-67-87 in 2008. Will that make a big difference?
102-66-88 is 23.1 in a 186cm based on PM's sidecut Calculator
104-67-87 in a 185 is 23.2 on the same Calculator
post #4 of 18
Are those specs from the 06-07 Racetigers? Because regulations change for next season, all GS skis require 27m radius from what I know.

More info here.
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
102-66-88 is 23.1 in a 186cm based on PM's sidecut Calculator
104-67-87 in a 185 is 23.2 on the same Calculator

Pretty much any new race ski will end up with a smaller than listed radius on that thing. I figure that it's because the listed tip width is beyond the contact point, thus not counting toward radius calculations. In order to get accurate numbers from the calculator, you would need to know the tip width at the contact point.

One thing I found interesting, if you take the '07 183 Atomic, the sidecut listed on the ski is 101.5-65.5-87, giving a calculated radius of 22.6 m. However, if you look at this year's Ski Presse review, the tip width is listed as 98. When running 98-65.5-87 through the calculator, it gives a radius of 24 m, pretty much spot-on to what is listed by Atomic. It seems to support the fact that manufacturers are using tip width at the contact point for their radius calculations, especially since that information is given out by Atomic.
post #6 of 18
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btw, I got my info on next year's skis from here: http://www.rakuten.co.jp/okazakiski/1802311/
post #7 of 18

Atomic or Volkl?

Volkl 06/07 in 185 cm was a fairly soft ski (tip and tail, solid underfoot), Atomic´s stifnesses between 45/35 and 50/40 made a stiffer ski though it also seems to have the same philosophy of softer ends.
I will be taking part in a race ski demo this coming weekend and able to give some experience when I´m back at the end of the next week.
post #8 of 18
Checkracer ! Where have you been ? I really missed your contributions. Nice to read you again !
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
So it's time to order for next season. I torn between Atomic and Volkl GS skis. I'd be getting the Volkls in 185 or the Atomics in 186. I was wondering which skis you think will fare better through the rule change. Will the skis feel drastically different from the current model?

I don't know '08 Atomic specs but the current 186 is 102-66-88 with a 25 m radius. I like this ski a lot.

Volkl goes from 106-67-89 in 2007 to 104-67-87 in 2008. Will that make a big difference?
A few days ago, there were some Rossi 9X WC, dirt cheap, for sale that would have been perfect... I can't dig the post.
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by checkracer View Post
Volkl 06/07 in 185 cm was a fairly soft ski (tip and tail, solid underfoot), Atomic´s stifnesses between 45/35 and 50/40 made a stiffer ski though it also seems to have the same philosophy of softer ends.
I will be taking part in a race ski demo this coming weekend and able to give some experience when I´m back at the end of the next week.
Excellent... let us know what you find out...
post #11 of 18

There's one other option...

...which is, if nobody's checking your sidecut radius...and that's not supposed to happen below WC until the season after next...who cares? I was skiing on a pair of 183 cm. Head IGS RDs (25.2 meter radius) and got to like them so much...I got another pair, rather than try to deal with the 27 meter radius skis mandated by the FIS. I'm a Masters racer, and we're probably going to be exampt from the regs again...
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
...which is, if nobody's checking your sidecut radius...and that's not supposed to happen below WC until the season after next...who cares? I was skiing on a pair of 183 cm. Head IGS RDs (25.2 meter radius) and got to like them so much...I got another pair, rather than try to deal with the 27 meter radius skis mandated by the FIS. I'm a Masters racer, and we're probably going to be exampt from the regs again...
yeah, but I wanna feel like a big man! and i'm 21 so i might as well ski the real race ski while i still have the legs for it...
post #13 of 18

Sounds good...

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Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
yeah, but I wanna feel like a big man! and i'm 21 so i might as well ski the real race ski while i still have the legs for it...

...I don't think you can lose with either Atomic or Volkl...I've skied on both, and I'd probably vote for the Atomics...maybe just a little smoother and more stable at speed...
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
...which is, if nobody's checking your sidecut radius...and that's not supposed to happen below WC until the season after next...who cares? I was skiing on a pair of 183 cm. Head IGS RDs (25.2 meter radius) and got to like them so much...I got another pair, rather than try to deal with the 27 meter radius skis mandated by the FIS. I'm a Masters racer, and we're probably going to be exampt from the regs again...
I know, the new regs suck, and I'm not sure if my ski's are going to have a legal stack. 14-16 for the ski itself, then another 33-35 for bindings, plus other bs. I just hope I don't get checked next year if I'm over. I'm not all that mad at the radius change, but why go from 55 to 50 for stack?

Also, I checked that site DC, and both seem to be legal. The Volkls say 180 185 190 > 27m. Same for the Atomics.
post #15 of 18

Theoretically, the answer is safety...

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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
I know, the new regs suck, and I'm not sure if my ski's are going to have a legal stack. 14-16 for the ski itself, then another 33-35 for bindings, plus other bs. I just hope I don't get checked next year if I'm over. I'm not all that mad at the radius change, but why go from 55 to 50 for stack?

Also, I checked that site DC, and both seem to be legal. The Volkls say 180 185 190 > 27m. Same for the Atomics.
...less stack height means less torque, and so forth. However...where's the data? And what am I supposed to do? I have 12 pairs of skis with plates and a pair of boots whose sole is 2 mm over the new regs. Answer: I'm not going to do anything, because I'm a Masters racer and we're supposedly going to continue to be exempt...except at Internationals (maybe...nobody knows...), which is a drag, because I had a great time at the Internationals in Park City in 2001. What if...and I've heard rumors to this effect...USSA pressures Masters to go along with the FIS regs? Answer: I'm done ski racing. Will it come to that? Dunno, but watch this space...for my take on the subject on the Ski Racing Forum...

http://skiracing.com/srforums/YaBB.pl?num=1164991407/15
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
Pretty much any new race ski will end up with a smaller than listed radius on that thing. I figure that it's because the listed tip width is beyond the contact point, thus not counting toward radius calculations. In order to get accurate numbers from the calculator, you would need to know the tip width at the contact point.

One thing I found interesting, if you take the '07 183 Atomic, the sidecut listed on the ski is 101.5-65.5-87, giving a calculated radius of 22.6 m. However, if you look at this year's Ski Presse review, the tip width is listed as 98. When running 98-65.5-87 through the calculator, it gives a radius of 24 m, pretty much spot-on to what is listed by Atomic. It seems to support the fact that manufacturers are using tip width at the contact point for their radius calculations, especially since that information is given out by Atomic.
I always physically measured our skis. they were almost never (even at contact point what was printed on the ski). Anthe Fis/USSA rules I believe use contact point. But then again, what is contact point. when the side cut is at edge angle, the contact point is moved further forward (remember the old Volkl 3-D sidecut)but not at the tail.

Also, I used the dimensions you gave above in the 1st post!:
post #17 of 18
I had promised to report from a racing ski test.
Sorry, no info.
Unfortunately, I didn´t make the first day for some family matter. The second day fog, new snow and wind have not allowed for any testing. Hard luck. It´s skiing, we know...

Three days later I met our Slalom World Champion Sarka on her first day on snow. They were frantically testing new SG skis, like all teams do, Papa Zahrobsky told me. Most of the old DH and SG skis can´t continue due to the waist width and they are all looking for new fastest skis and analyzing what the increased width brings and causes.

As to the new 45 - 43 mm boot height, it seems to be a nuisance for those who can´t afford a new pair next season. The same week a junior racer bought new Dobbies at a prominet Austiran bootfitter (Herbert Auer, Steinach am Brenner) but she had to take this year´s 45 mm boot with the advice to remove the boot lifters when racing...
post #18 of 18
http://global.skipass.com/gearguide/ski/2008/
is a nice page to learn about next year's models.. I'd go with the Atomic GS12 if I was your.. Been driving their top gs models the latest couple of years and I like them very much - they are usually stiffer than other brands, and they are less cheaterskis (turnradius compared to FIS standard - there are not a very big difference)...
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