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forward mount - Top Fuel

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Don't know much about this topic but it is common to move the binding forward on twin tips. I heard Stein Erikson did it, too.

Would moving the binding forward on the Top Fuel ever be advisable? What would be the effect on performance?

I would like to try it, but thought it would be wise to ask first. I have had some problems pressuring the forward part of the ski, but the boot plays into this problem as well.

Your advise is appreciated.
post #2 of 20
Are those the XBS bindings?
post #3 of 20
IIRC Paul doesn't have the Same bindings I have on my Nitrous. I was thinking his didn't change as easily as mine when we were at bumpphest.




post #4 of 20
As for changing the mount of the Top Fuel........I would think you may get that forward pressure you're looking for but also I know you said you were going to get some boot work done. I'd do the boot work first then try the forward mount if you still have a yen for forward pressure.
post #5 of 20
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Looks like X35 to me? So yes, I guess.
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
IIRC Paul doesn't have the Same bindings I have on my Nitrous. I was thinking his didn't change as easily as mine when we were at bumpphest.




This is true.
post #7 of 20
Paul, If you were on a 177, I would say give it a shot. But with you having a 170 and your size, I would say leave it. I was using Ty's 888's and they have an inherant forward mount and I actually moved them back, these are a 177.
post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Paul, If you were on a 177, I would say give it a shot. But with you having a 170 and your size, I would say leave it. I was using Ty's 888's and they have an inherant forward mount and I actually moved them back, these are a 177.
What he said^^^^^^
post #9 of 20
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I'd still like to try it. This could be the break through I'm looking for.
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
I'd still like to try it. This could be the break through I'm looking for.
Yea, right, you need a break through:
post #11 of 20
I'm confused... Paul, do you have a track binding? Are those shots trekchick's skis?

If you're on a track binding, move stuff around and fine-tune your position. That's a one of the big benefits to track bindings. Nonetheless, it sounds like you also need boot work.

Personally, on my xbs' I did move them, but back .5cm. I noticed a huge difference, as anyone would.
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
I'm confused... Paul, do you have a track binding? Are those shots trekchick's skis?

If you're on a track binding,
TC's are easy to move around, like a demo binding. Those are the ones shown. But my binding is a track binding, I think like yours.

I would like to try something more forward, but I am not sure if the effect will be what I expect... more forward control and pressure. If it's not what I like, it can be moved back.

Sam, why back for you?
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
I'd still like to try it. This could be the break through I'm looking for.
IMHO - get the boots dialed. Spend two more days with Rogan , then decide if you need a breakthrough.
post #14 of 20
Actually, I have the same bindings as trekchick. And those are what I meant by 'track bindings' They are super easy to just manipulate without redrilling- you just have to pay attention to your forward pressure.

I moved mine back because they were over-stearing. (jet fuels/ salomon falcon 10) And they are now one position behind what is recommended for my sole length. The falcon 10 has a rather strong forward lean, imo.

Anyway, that was my question about track bindings. perhaps I was misunderstood. If you can mount them back without redrilling or pulling holes... do it man. What do you have to lose? Perhaps I'm not understanding the debate.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
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Anyway, that was my question about track bindings. perhaps I was misunderstood. If you can mount them back without redrilling or pulling holes... do it man. What do you have to lose? Perhaps I'm not understanding the debate.
Forward.

I want to move them forward. I do not have a problem with over steering. I may not have a problem with the way the skis are mounted at all. But I would like to take a ride on my Top Fuels mounted forward to see if I get more out of the front of the ski.

Epic,

boots are a must - 4 years on these, time for a change.
post #16 of 20
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Epic,

boots are a must - 4 years on these, time for a change.
Yep, stop putting band-aids on the problem.
post #17 of 20
I have the same binding as you. I'm pretty sure you can move it forward with just a posidriver.
post #18 of 20
Stein Eriksen probably, as many racers do favor a slight forward mount of the binding. The ski just initiates a turn a bit easier.

Soft snow areas with lots of powder, it's not a great idea unless you like sitting back and having your quads/thighs burn like your mothers meatloaf.

I have most of my skis set up just a bit forward. Powder here is a rare event.
post #19 of 20
If you have those bindings pictured above, dude, try them forward. That's the beauty of it, if you don't like it, change them back. I honestly don't understand the debate. You don't need a posidriver either, just flick the switch, slide them forward to the next setting, lock the switch. 10 seconds. Oh... and check your forward pressure.

this is not a bandaid solution, it is not meant to replace a need for new boots. However, fine-tuning where you stand on your ski is awesome. I can't believe anyone would say otherwise.

We all have differently shaped skeletons and different skiing styles. Assuming there is only one "golden" sweet spot for everybody on the ski is giving a little bit too much credit to the engineers in my opinion.

World-cup slalom/gs snowboarders adjust their stance all the time. Why? because they can.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
If you have those bindings pictured above, dude, try them forward. That's the beauty of it, if you don't like it, change them back. I honestly don't understand the debate. You don't need a posidriver either, just flick the switch, slide them forward to the next setting, lock the switch. 10 seconds. Oh... and check your forward pressure.

this is not a bandaid solution, it is not meant to replace a need for new boots. However, fine-tuning where you stand on your ski is awesome. I can't believe anyone would say otherwise.

We all have differently shaped skeletons and different skiing styles. Assuming there is only one "golden" sweet spot for everybody on the ski is giving a little bit too much credit to the engineers in my opinion.

World-cup slalom/gs snowboarders adjust their stance all the time. Why? because they can.
Those are my bindings. Sorry for the confusion.
Paul and I skied together at Kton and he tried my skis. Was pretty amazed at how easy the bindings are to change.
I have the nitrous, he has the Top fuel.
I shoulda let him try my Wave Spice
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