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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Does anyone have any info on next years Nordica skis, in particular the Doberman and Sppedmachine line of skis? I've seen a few end of season deals on 2006-07 Nordicas, but I was wondering if there were any significant changes to the 2008 skis.

Thanks.
post #2 of 26
I have nothing to say about the dobermans or speedmachines but I tried 3 08 nordicas recently

Blowers- **** dont buy
Ignition - Floppy at speed, bad edge hold on ice
Hotrod Jet Fuel- Nice ski, super easy to carve and fun to ski on, has a definite speed limit though (although a decently high one)
post #3 of 26
Speedmachine Mach 3 Power (Titanium) and Mach 3 (Carbon) will be the same as this year.

SJ
post #4 of 26
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Speedmachine Mach 3 Power (Titanium) and Mach 3 (Carbon) will be the same as this year.

SJ
Rumour has it they are coming out with a substantial women specific ski. Is that something you can share?
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
Rumour has it they are coming out with a substantial women specific ski. Is that something you can share?
Sure....that'd be the Firefox.

120-70-104. I skied a 162 for about 5 or 6 groomer zoomer runs in January @ the Nordie intro. It was plenty of ski to buzz bomb a group of midwestern dealers who were hogging the men's skis at the time. This is a very light ski for a Nordica and had grip that at least equals if not surpasses the current Volkl Attiva S5. Waaaaay fun.

Katherine (my cohort @ work) wants to ditch her Modifieds in favor of this little rocket.

SJ
post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Sure....that'd be the Firefox.

120-70-104. I skied a 162 for about 5 or 6 groomer zoomer runs in January @ the Nordie intro. It was plenty of ski to buzz bomb a group of midwestern dealers who were hogging the men's skis at the time. This is a very light ski for a Nordica and had grip that at least equals if not surpasses the current Volkl Attiva S5. Waaaaay fun.

Katherine (my cohort @ work) wants to ditch her Modifieds in favor of this little rocket.

SJ
I know a certain Lady Bear who wants the inside scoop when these are available
post #7 of 26
Call me in da fall..........................

I go backpacking for the summer..............

SJ
post #8 of 26
SJ,
Any news on changes the the SLR and GSR? I suspect the GSR is going to be a 27m ski, but any word on changes to the SLR?
Thanks,
Greg
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
SJ,
Any news on changes the the SLR and GSR? I suspect the GSR is going to be a 27m ski, but any word on changes to the SLR?
Thanks,
Greg
Ya know.....I didn't even axe about 'em. My rep did mention in passing that the GSR will be the 27m ski but I just didn't pursue it for any details.

SJ
post #10 of 26

Info on Speedmachine skis wanted

I'm also looking at the year end sales on the Nordica Speedmachine skis. Any info would be appreciated.

How does the Speedmachine 14 & Mach compare to Volkl's Supersport S5 & Allstars?

I'm looking for a frontside carver, something that I can bend into a short radius turn, yet go relatively fast once in a while (but not necessarily "super fast").

I'm 5'10" 174# and probably level 8. Demoed the Allstars a week ago in a 175cm (168cm wasn't available). While the Allstars didn't feel like they were "too much" ski for me, they definitely preferred longer radius turns than I'm interested in. I hope to demo some Supersport S5's (or 5 stars) in a week, hopefully in a 168cm.

Suggestions on Speedmachine ski model and length would be appreciated (I'm thinking 170cm), and comparision between Volkl's Supersport and Nordica's Speedmachines.

Thanks.
post #11 of 26
The Speedmachines are more comparable to the Race Tiger RC. (not the Racetiger race stock). The only thing the Speed machine lacks is the little "pop" coming out of a carve, but I loved it when I demoed. I tried the SM 14, Mach3, and SM 16(06). Of the three I'd pick the 14 for me, but I'm lighter and think you'd like the Mach 3 a bit better.

FYI, I bought the Race tiger RC because I like that energy a volkl gives back, but I had a tough time choosing, because the SM was buttery smooth and was one of the supreme carvers I had a chance to demo during the season.
post #12 of 26
The Mach 3 has approximately similar edge grip to the All Star but has more shape and flexes better under the foot. (I think b/c the x-bal system offers a more free flex in that area than the IPT does)

The Mach 3 Ti is stiffer, gripper, and IMO more demanding than the A/S. As TC has mentioned, the Nordies are more damp. The Ti has plenty of POP (assuming you have the leg to bend it).

SJ
post #13 of 26
TrekChick & SierraJim -

Thanks for the feedback. From both of your posts, it sounds like the SM Mach is the ski for me. TC thinks I would want more ski than the SM 14, which was exactly my concern. And I had already suspected that the SM Mach Power is stiffer than what I'm looking for, but thanks SJ for the confirmation.

Now, I'm assuming that I can carve (not skid!) small and medium radius turns with the SM Mach at moderate speeds. Right?

I don't see anything in either of your posts to suggest considering the 162cm length.

How damp you've described the SM Mach doesn't concern me as I actually like a damp ski on groomed trails. Off piste is another story where I like my slightly damp iM 88s.

Thanks again. Both of your posts were really helpfull.

Dave
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by Dave86 View Post
TrekChick & SierraJim -

Thanks for the feedback. From both of your posts, it sounds like the SM Mach is the ski for me. TC thinks I would want more ski than the SM 14, which was exactly my concern. And I had already suspected that the SM Mach Power is stiffer than what I'm looking for, but thanks SJ for the confirmation.

Now, I'm assuming that I can carve (not skid!) small and medium radius turns with the SM Mach at moderate speeds. Right?

I don't see anything in either of your posts to suggest considering the 162cm length.


How damp you've described the SM Mach doesn't concern me as I actually like a damp ski on groomed trails. Off piste is another story where I like my slightly damp iM 88s.

Thanks again. Both of your posts were really helpfull.

Dave
I wouldn't consider going that short. The SM I felt most happy on was 170. Any shorter than that and you'll be selling yourself short.
post #15 of 26
Don't sell the Speedmachine 14.2 short. It is lighter, quicker and easier to bend that the Mach 3 . It also is slightly better at short turns.
There are some screaming deals out there also.
Both are great skis. The 14.2 is a bit more on piste oriented than the Mach 3 but that doesn't mean the Mach doesn't handle the grommed well.
The Mach 3 is one of the newer styled skis witha large shovel and a waist of about 72mm [Refernce the Dynastar Contact 11 and the Head Supershape Magnum]. All 3 have nearly identical dimensions.
post #16 of 26
Trekchick - thanks - I'm dialed into the 170s. Thanks also to Robscapes, however, I've decided on the Mach 3 unless I see a lot of info that says the 14.2 would be a better choice for me.

Right now it looks like the best price I can get for the Mach 3 is a little over $600. They had several pairs on ebay this morning for a about $550, but those just disappeared. I can't tell if the auction expired, or somebody bought them. (I would rather buy locally or from someone like Dawgcatching or SierraJim than ebay anyway.)

However, given that it is end of season and I just saw Dawgcatching sell some RX-8's for a little over $400, I think I'll wait for a similar price on the Mach 3s. It wouldn't be the end of the world if I don't get the Mach 3 because I waited for a price to occur that never happened.
post #17 of 26
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(I would rather buy locally or from someone like Dawgcatching or SierraJim than ebay anyway.).
You won't be disappointed!
EpicSki Supporters get some discount benefits from both of these guys.
Shoot them a PM.
post #18 of 26
While performing a momentous amount of late night procrastination, I came across 07/08 Nordica catalogue on the Japanese site. Look at the pdfs at the bottom.

http://www.nordica-jp.com/product/index.html

Things I found of interest are 27m for the GSR in sizes 186 and up, a long overdue Aggressor 130, and hideous graphics in the freeride line.
post #19 of 26
While I'm at it, here's the 07/08 Japanese Dynastar/Look/Lange catalogue too.

http://www.dynastar.jp/catalog/index.html

Oddly enough, the mens length 187 GS ski is staying at 25m.
post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info ... trying to decide if I need a third pair of skis to complete my Doberman SC's and Eliminators.

I demo'd a pair of Mach 3s last year and really enjoyed skiing them.

Looked at the Nordica.jp website - I noticed that the Doberman line is down to 3 skis - GS, SL and a new model Doberman Spitfire. Not sure what the difference is between the Mach 3s and the Spitfire.
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiNut View Post
Looked at the Nordica.jp website - I noticed that the Doberman line is down to 3 skis - GS, SL and a new model Doberman Spitfire.
Not to be confused with the real Dobermann line which consists of 4 skis... SLR, GSR, SG and DH...
post #22 of 26
Dave, I hadn't been following this thread for a while, but SierraJim has the Mach3 in a 170 for $637 complete. That should be pretty competitive and its good karma to support other Epic supporters. I got a chance to demo the Mach 3 several times this past winter thanks to Jim, and I don't think you will be disappointed. My preference was for the bigger Afterburner, but for shorter radius carving, the Mach 3 was very easy to initiate, versatile and forgiving. Its still a fairly big ski and has lots of stability and is willing to go fast.


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Originally Posted by Dave86 View Post
Trekchick - thanks - I'm dialed into the 170s. Thanks also to Robscapes, however, I've decided on the Mach 3 unless I see a lot of info that says the 14.2 would be a better choice for me.

Right now it looks like the best price I can get for the Mach 3 is a little over $600. They had several pairs on ebay this morning for a about $550, but those just disappeared. I can't tell if the auction expired, or somebody bought them. (I would rather buy locally or from someone like Dawgcatching or SierraJim than ebay anyway.)

However, given that it is end of season and I just saw Dawgcatching sell some RX-8's for a little over $400, I think I'll wait for a similar price on the Mach 3s. It wouldn't be the end of the world if I don't get the Mach 3 because I waited for a price to occur that never happened.
post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
Dave, I hadn't been following this thread for a while, but SierraJim has the Mach3 in a 170 for $637 complete. That should be pretty competitive and its good karma to support other Epic supporters. I got a chance to demo the Mach 3 several times this past winter thanks to Jim, and I don't think you will be disappointed. My preference was for the bigger Afterburner, but for shorter radius carving, the Mach 3 was very easy to initiate, versatile and forgiving. Its still a fairly big ski and has lots of stability and is willing to go fast.
Thanks taking time to post more feedback about the Mach 3. That was helpful. I'm still actively working on purchasing a carving ski.

I demoed the Volkl S5 in a 168cm this last weekend and had a lot of fun with it. However, the conditions were "slushy" so it was difficult to completely evaluate the ski. The S5 is quick edge to edge and it is easy to work it into any turn shape. However, given the conditions it was difficult to tell how damp the ski is and I was reluctant to see how fast I could go on it.

Jim and I have traded several PM's this last week on the Mach 3 (I followed up on TrekChick's suggestion above). Jim has very kindly taken time to help me understand the differences between the Mach 3 & S5.

Regarding the price on the Mach 3: I am definitely struggling with paying $637 for a ski I haven't demoed. The price seems more like something one would pay at the start of a ski season - not at the end.

Epic Ski is important to me (been snooping since about 2000/2001 - I feel like I'm one of the gang), so I definitely want to do business with it's supporters where reasonably possible. It's also important to me to support locally owned and operated ski shops as well. Jim's help with my questions has been greatly appreciated, so that will weigh heavily in my final decision. (If you want Jim's time & help, then you have to be willing to give him the business...)

By the way, Jim's price on the Volkl S5 ($497) is both excellent and very competative. Like the Mach 3, the price includes the binding. But everyone's feedback has been that the Mach 3 would be the better choice.

Thanks again.

Dave
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiNut View Post
Does anyone have any info on next years Nordica skis, in particular the Doberman and Sppedmachine line of skis? I've seen a few end of season deals on 2006-07 Nordicas, but I was wondering if there were any significant changes to the 2008 skis.

Thanks.
Speedmachine and Doberman's there are only cosmetic changes next season I believe....
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by Dave86 View Post
I'm also looking at the year end sales on the Nordica Speedmachine skis. Any info would be appreciated.

How does the Speedmachine 14 & Mach compare to Volkl's Supersport S5 & Allstars?

I'm looking for a frontside carver, something that I can bend into a short radius turn, yet go relatively fast once in a while (but not necessarily "super fast").

I'm 5'10" 174# and probably level 8. Demoed the Allstars a week ago in a 175cm (168cm wasn't available). While the Allstars didn't feel like they were "too much" ski for me, they definitely preferred longer radius turns than I'm interested in. I hope to demo some Supersport S5's (or 5 stars) in a week, hopefully in a 168cm.

Suggestions on Speedmachine ski model and length would be appreciated (I'm thinking 170cm), and comparision between Volkl's Supersport and Nordica's Speedmachines.

Thanks.
You might like the Vokl Tigershark for a front side carver....
post #26 of 26
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Hotrod Jet Fuel- Nice ski, super easy to carve and fun to ski on, has a definite speed limit though (although a decently high one)
The Jet Fuel RIPS!!! One of my favorite skis from the last years Retail On Snow demo...The Jet Fuel is very versatile, can ski off and on piste with much moxy...I wish I could fit in my quiver of 5....
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