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Peak to Peak Gondi - are they crazy?!

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Nothing to say just watch if yourself!

http://ww1.whistlerblackcomb.com/p2pg/home.html :
post #2 of 21
Wow! A 415 meter drop to the valley floor??? Wake me up when it's over, please!
post #3 of 21
Very interesting. 1.88 miles between towers? Damn.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post
Wow! A 415 meter drop to the valley floor??? Wake me up when it's over, please!
Sorry, than you have to sleep for 18 months or so.
post #5 of 21
Who'll be the first to " break it in?"
post #6 of 21

Get past the "gee-whiz" factor and....

what's the point? More marketing hype for the Interwest, something for the tourists to say "we've done it" and it will be an eyesore from the Valley (and Whistler is rapidly gaining too many of those).

For skiers, presumably the reason why we are on a mountain is to ski....IF I need to get from one mountian to the other (which is almost never) in a hurry I take great delight is seeing how quickly I can do it, especially in late spring when the ski out is getting really marginal (like now).

If Interwest wants to spend money on lifts, how about one in Lakeside Bowl, or up the backside of the Glacier?....of course neither of those could be ridden by the great masses in Summer.
post #7 of 21
As I posted in the other thread, according to my information the thing won't run when the winds are over 20 KPH (12 MPH) which is most of the time in the winter. All those millions, ticket prices will rise, and skiers won't use it for the most part.
post #8 of 21
Ain't there some big event there in 2010?

How much do you think the price just to ride this new lift will be then?

Never been to Whistler, want to go. Would you go before, or after this is built?
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
Ain't there some big event there in 2010?

How much do you think the price just to ride this new lift will be then?

Never been to Whistler, want to go. Would you go before, or after this is built?
I would go before. I agree, this Gondola could be an eyesore when finished. And the view of the W/B peaks are amazing in the raw.
post #10 of 21
I for one think it's a GREAT idea. The size of the cables and cars viewed from town is so relatively small that they'll be difficult to spot (think how small solar coaster looks from town) Also - if it dips down like the diagram shows the installation will have mtns as a backdrop NOT sky - further reducing its visibility . Take a look at this video of a 3S in Kitzbuhel.
http://www.dailymotion.com/pap73/vid...di-kitzbuhel/1

pretty sweet if you ask me.

Not sure where the 12mph wind limit stat came from. That's laughably low. The technical documents I dug up list these limits for various designs.
Wind Speed are sustained.

Max Operating Wind Speeds based on actual installs

Bi-Cable 75-80 km/h
Funitel 70-80 km/h
3S 70 km/h

The WHOLE POINT of a multi cable ropeway system is continued operation in higher winds. There's NO WAY whistler would drop money on a system that gets shut down BEFORE any other lift.

Being able to ski the tops of Blackcomb and whistler without having to download or hit the village will improve the on mtn experience for 90% of tkt buyers. It will also extend the Mtns usability in the summer. More summer visits might (pure speculation) even reduce costs in the long run as you increase revenue in other areas...
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by flaviaman View Post
what's the point? More marketing hype for the Interwest, something for the tourists to say "we've done it" and it will be an eyesore from the Valley (and Whistler is rapidly gaining too many of those).

For skiers, presumably the reason why we are on a mountain is to ski....IF I need to get from one mountian to the other (which is almost never) in a hurry I take great delight is seeing how quickly I can do it, especially in late spring when the ski out is getting really marginal (like now).

If Interwest wants to spend money on lifts, how about one in Lakeside Bowl, or up the backside of the Glacier?....of course neither of those could be ridden by the great masses in Summer.

And when you were a kid you walked up hill both ways to school and ate nothing but rock soup and YOU LIKED IT right? I have skied both Copper and WP for awhile and have seen Intrawest make improvements that help me get around the mountain better, faster, and more comfortably.

How the hell is a gondola an eyesore and any other lift a thing of beauty? Progress is progress.
post #12 of 21
Well I have to get there already. #1 on my list right now.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by matt7180 View Post
And when you were a kid you walked up hill both ways to school and ate nothing but rock soup and YOU LIKED IT right? I have skied both Copper and WP for awhile and have seen Intrawest make improvements that help me get around the mountain better, faster, and more comfortably.

How the hell is a gondola an eyesore and any other lift a thing of beauty? Progress is progress.
Matt:

Ski areas are, in my opinion, ugly in spring, fall and quite often summer. I see nothing charming about lifts running up a mountian, or mountains scared with lifts. Do I ride them? Absolutely. Do I think they are an eyesore? Absolutely.

Last week on a sunny day I was sitting on my deck at Whistler, looking up Fitzsimmions Valley and imagining the new gondola. It will certainly be noticeable, it will further ruin a view that for me has changed in the last 20 years rather dramatically.

Am I a NIMBY (not in my backyard)? Prehaps.....I just have a difficult time
imagining the usefullness of such a lift, apart from marketing hype. Lifts that serve a purpose, open up new terrain, are lifts that I have a much easier time agreeing with.

If you're a W/B skier you may or may not welcome the new Symphony lift.
However I defy anyone to suggest to me that looking at Whistler from 7th Heaven on Blackcomb the new Symphony lift is not yet another scar on the mountian.

Progress can be defined in many ways.....
post #14 of 21
flaviaman,

That was a very good answer. I have a feeling we are not going to see this issue from the same perspective. I am one who thinks that gondolas and trams are things of beauty. I like the looks of the large wind farms in the midwest and California. I not only see them as progress, but engineering and sometimes architectual beauty. That being said, i love nothing better than hiking in unspoiled wilderness.

As for the usefullness of it. I think mattm01 (no relation) hit the nail on the head. Many of the improvements Intrawest makes are things that my wife and I could care less about. However, it allows them to attract enough people that we can buy season passes to two resorts for less than $400. That allows us to buy a pass at Loveland and still be dollars ahead.
post #15 of 21
Matt:

Thanks for your excellent response....I enjoy mechanical objects, especially when form is combined with function...I make my living selling such objects. And I was thrilled the first time I rode in a gondi, and I've seen and ridden some fascinating gondola's / lifts in Europe. Most of those serve a real purpose in getting people to somewhere they cannot otherwise go to.

As I stated before, my objection with a Peak to Peak Gondola is that it is, my opinion, largely being built for the sake of being built. It will be an eyesore and for this skier at least, serve little purpose. I am certain however that thousands of tourists will pay good money to ride the thing.

Someone in this thread mentioned it was an excellent idea "because basically now you have to choose one mountain to ski all day". I find that a curious comment as one can very easily ski from the Roundhouse at Whistler to the base of the Blackcomb Gondi in less than 15 minutes, and the ride on the Gondi and Jersey Cream chair (not accounting for line-ups) is less than 22 minutes.

Then there is the whole question of why someone would want to change from one mountain to another....it cannot be bacause one mountain can get skied out in seven hours....and these days the grooming is very similiar between them (such was not always the case....) if you're skiing groomers.

You're lucky if you have $400 season tickets; at W/B a seasons pass is closer to $1,300. At W/B more lifts have not caused the price of the pass to drop....quite frankly if I had my druthers I would love to see "development" at W/B rolled back to about 1990 levels (with 1990 crowds) and 1990 prices. No high-speed Peak lift, No Harmony Lift (yes people, you would need to ride those nasty t bars), No Symphony Lift, No Glacier
Lift. But I tend to live in the past!:

And no Marketplace...:

Without meaning to highjack the thread....any others from W/B care to comment?
post #16 of 21

I know this is long since a done deal, happened on this by chance. So now that it has been built and in operation for a number of years has opinion changed ?

 

Personally I originally thought it a rather dumb idea, why build such an expensive lift that goes sideways but since it has been in operation I have found it to be pretty useful. Doubles your terrain choices. Before I always checked the 7am weather report and picked the best hill for conditions at that point in time. Now we often will easily switch as snow or crowd conditions change during the day.  Never imagined I would have. I suspect a lot of others might have changed their opinions as well.  
 

post #17 of 21

Fun to read those old posts. I can't remember if it thought it were silly or if I were excited; either is possible. But I do take it between mountains. Not every day, but on days for whatever reason I think (or I'm told) conditions/crowds/etc  are better on the other mountain. We love Christine's (restaurant) on Blackcomb so frequently we ski Whistler Mt, for a variety of reasons, then take the P2P over for lunch (and then probably just stay on Blackcomb). We have also at least once gotten a waffle craving and high tailed it over from Whistler to Crystal Hut. Anyway, clearly it's a success among skier. And tourists--I know plenty of non-skiers who made trips upfrom Seattle to ride it (even though I pointed out to them better views are to be had from the actual mountains). But, it's undeniably a neat feature, so I can see why a tourist might want to visit and ride it.

post #18 of 21

Great thread bump, is really interesting to look back at this in hindsight.

post #19 of 21

Parading a car through the village to get the hype going:

 

 

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Shane (RIP) in the liftline after BASE jumping the P2P a couple of days earlier to start the ceremonies:

 

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It does look like a cluster at the top:

 

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Not really the eyesore that some alleged it would be:

 

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It actually looks pretty cool coming out of the valley:

 

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From one of the two Silver car's glass bottom mid way through (1,575ft) :

 

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I didn't think much of the idea at first, but some days, when you look over at Blackcomb and see that 7th's just opened, or alternately see that Symphony's just opened on Whistler after a dump and delay, you have your choice of what you want a lot quicker than going down and back up.

 

Apparently it's a great hit in the summer with tourons going up one hill, hiking around a bit,taking the P2P, and coming down the other.

post #20 of 21

I thought that it was a dumb idea.  I'm glad that I was wrong.  I've used it several times, usually to find better snow, and I've been successful each time.  It also was nice to have when I stayed at Creekside, which gave me easy access to Blackcomb.

post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post

I thought that it was a dumb idea.  I'm glad that I was wrong.  I've used it several times, usually to find better snow, and I've been successful each time.  It also was nice to have when I stayed at Creekside, which gave me easy access to Blackcomb.

 

Yeah, I didn't think of that beforehand, but it's actually a huge benefit if you're staying at Creekside.

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