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Tecnica Ultrafit liners - pack out in 40 days?

post #1 of 17
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I bought some Tecnica Diablo Fires with the Ultrafit liner toward the end of February. Since then, I've put 30-40 days on them, though not always full days. After about a week, I moved the ankle buckles to the tighter hole, so I could get a better fit around my ankle. A week and a half ago, I had my boot fitter cut away some liner and shim the tongue because I started having trouble getting the boots buckled tight enough around the ankle to give me a secure feeling.

What I'm wondering is if I could have packed out the liners already - it doesn't seem like very many days, and this is supposed to be Tecnica's second-from-top conventional liner, so I'd have expected it to last longer.

If it's feasible to have killed the liner this quickly, is there a significant difference in wear life between the Ultrafit and Hiperfit? Everything I hear seems to indicate that the Hotform liner speeds the break-in process some, but doesn't last as long as the Ultrafit.
post #2 of 17
I have the exact same boot, and have the exact same experience...
They packed out quite fast, but I don't think the liner is packed out and is no longer usable, but simply packed out a little more than expected...
Outside of that, I think they are a really good compromise in comfort and performance...
I have put about 10 days on mine, and have had to keep tightening, but I am pretty close to a really nice fit now…
Thanks for reminding me about the additional holes for the buckles, I forgot about those…
post #3 of 17
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When I had to get my liners trimmed and shimmed, I thought I was just hitting the good part of the boot's life cycle - inside of the liner shaped like my foot, outside shaped like the inside of the shell, no extra material, really responsive feel. And shin bang. Damn.

The shin bang was the original problem that motivated the post, in fact. The boot fit guy over at Granite Chief had a theory on that, which was that because of how much I'm wrapping the shins the flex pattern got screwy. He added a bunch of material around the liner to try to open the shaft out to the range Tecnica intended. Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but will report back.

Anyway, something to keep an eye on if you find you're going to the smaller set of holes.
post #4 of 17
I found myself having similar trouble (got to the last buckle after 50-60 days, when I had started on the second) on Salomon 1080s. What worked for me was getting a zipfit (which comes in several densities so depending on just how much room you have). The heat-fitting meant that it didn't really seem like starting over in a new liner.
post #5 of 17
Before you give up on those OEM liners, go see a professional bootfitter (someone who really knows what he or she is doing and does this for a living full time, not just whoever's around at the local shop). My boots have 56 days on them and I was definitely getting some heel lift so I took them in and had the bootfitter shim the ankle area right around the bony protrusions. Bang, no more heel lift and no more cranking down the buckles til my feet go numb. And it only cost me $15.
post #6 of 17
Good advice Cold Smoke.

You can also just put some material under the liner to lift it up a bit when it packs out on the bottom.
post #7 of 17
Do a shell fit on the boot to make sure it's the right size......
post #8 of 17
I would also like to hear what the shell fits are like....
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by cantman View Post
Do a shell fit on the boot to make sure it's the right size......
I did a shell fit, and the foot part's the right size. A little high-volume, but with my high instep and funky prominent bone on the top, that's been to my advantage. It's also been fitting comfortably and snugly in that area since I bought it, and I haven't had to change buckle positions there.

However, if I stand in the boot with just my footbeds and take a skiing position, the outside of my leg is practically touching the inside of the cuff on that side, while there's a ton of space on the inside. One boot fitter I saw commented that while he didn't like the Diablo very much, the softness of the shaft was probably working to my advantage because of how bizarrely shaped my leg is. We tried adding some material on the inside side, but it wasn't effective. The Granite Chief guy says that they'll sometimes add something like Bondo to the inside of shells on race boots to fill voids, but the Diablo Fire's too flexy for that and it would just crack and make a huge mess.

I'm going skiing today and throwing some heel wedges in my bag so that if the latest liner modification is inadequate I can try them. I'm disinclined to replacing the OEM liner because I think the underlying problem is a shell fit issue, so if the solution is going to hit three figures, even low threes, I'd rather replace the whole boot with something with more cuff cant and a narrower shaft.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by AndrewSwitch View Post
I did a shell fit, and the foot part's the right size. A little high-volume, but with my high instep and funky prominent bone on the top, that's been to my advantage. It's also been fitting comfortably and snugly in that area since I bought it, and I haven't had to change buckle positions there.

However, if I stand in the boot with just my footbeds and take a skiing position, the outside of my leg is practically touching the inside of the cuff on that side, while there's a ton of space on the inside. One boot fitter I saw commented that while he didn't like the Diablo very much, the softness of the shaft was probably working to my advantage because of how bizarrely shaped my leg is. We tried adding some material on the inside side, but it wasn't effective. The Granite Chief guy says that they'll sometimes add something like Bondo to the inside of shells on race boots to fill voids, but the Diablo Fire's too flexy for that and it would just crack and make a huge mess.

I'm going skiing today and throwing some heel wedges in my bag so that if the latest liner modification is inadequate I can try them. I'm disinclined to replacing the OEM liner because I think the underlying problem is a shell fit issue, so if the solution is going to hit three figures, even low threes, I'd rather replace the whole boot with something with more cuff cant and a narrower shaft.

Tell me more about the shell fit.... How much space is between your heel and the inside back of the shell? (with your toes just touching the front of the shell)

It sounds like you fit the boot so that yout instep and bony protrusions are comfy while the rest of the bootfit was neglected. I suspect that you will be buying another boot soon!? Remember, fit the foot length first and then concentrate on secondary issues with clever bootfitting tactics, not the other way around.
post #11 of 17
I've done about 65 days in my Fire's & whilst the Ultrafits did pack down a bit over the first few weeks they've stayed pretty consistent since then - & I'm over 200lb's.

Shell fit in my left boot is 15mm & 16mm in my right (measured with dowels which is far more accurate than fingers) which I've found great for a good compromise between fit & performance. I especially like good heel retention but with plenty of toe room & the flex pattern of the boot.

The only problem I've had is that the velcro on the powerstrap wore out so I fitted Booster straps (slightly lengthen the slots that the old strap went through & then they go through the same slots just great) which has kept the cuff nice & snug.
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by cantman View Post
Tell me more about the shell fit.... How much space is between your heel and the inside back of the shell? (with your toes just touching the front of the shell)
Standing, no liner, footbed in shell - about one finger. I have the 25.5. The 26.5 felt a little big. My foot measures 10 1/4" or some tiny fraction over 26cm. Both feet are about the same size.

I had some success today with backing off on the top buckle and routing the power strap behind the odd little thing it goes through on the outside side of the cuff. I think that I allowed that side to bend with the angle of my shin more. Just had a booster strap installed, and will see how the combination of alternate routing, looser top buckle, and cranked booster strap works.
post #13 of 17
AndrewSwitch, I agree with cantman.

I'm no bootfitter but an "about one finger" shell gap can be well in excess of 20mm in which case the boots are likely to be too big - meaning that the pivot point of your ankle doesn't match that of the boot which can result in poor cuff fit/shin bang etc. I had that problem on my previous boots that had a 24/25mm gap which was immediately cured by down sizing.

For starters I'd recommend accurately measuring your shell gap with various size dowels or something similar. And get someone else to do it using a torch etc.

If they're ok then great but when you're looking to alleviate problems "about one finger" is not precise enough to assume the shell length size is correct.
post #14 of 17
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Small ballpoint pen (5/16") fits, paint marker (9/16") doesn't. So around 11mm. Both the fitters that I saw about this did shell fits and thought the size was correct. There was a foot of the fresh stuff today and I brought out the board, so I haven't tried the boots with booster straps yet, but have high hopes (knock wood.)
post #15 of 17
Well I also agree with Cantman except if you measure a 26 and fit a 25 then certainly you aren't in too long a boot. However to have the space you describe in a boot that is one size shorter than you measure in Mondo size is unusual, so something isn't adding up.

As far as buying the correct size and ankle alignment with the boot pivot point goes. Buying the correct size is no guarantee either, which is why ankle punches and grinds are so common in a boot fitting shop.

Heel lifts may serve the purpose of changing the fit, but probably the extra ramp angle will just mess up your balance. I agree with Cantman and it sounds as if you are in the wrong boot and I think you mentioned earlier on that you thought it was a boot problem.

If your alignment doesn't match the cuffs why hasn't anyone moved the cuff. Still that won't change the loose fit issue.
post #16 of 17
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Tecnica's are noted for running a size big. I think I'd probably find myself in a size 26 in another brand. I tried dropping in a heel lift, and it didn't really help, although it did interfere with my foot beds. As far as alignment and the cuff are concerned, I flipped the dual-pivot plate on one side of each boot, which is as far as the cuff cant can be changed.

As funktacular as my anatomy is, I'm sure that I'd find something to complain about with every boot on the market, except maybe Strolz, so I think it would be futile to start collecting boots that have something wrong with them. One fitter commented that while he didn't like how soft the ankle shaft on the Tecnica is, it might be working in my favor because of how bowed my legs are.

Anyway the proof is in the pudding - I'll get to see tomorrow if my new theory on this boot works.
post #17 of 17
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I'm sure everyone was waiting with bated breath. Anyway, I skied them with the lower shaft buckle tight for a nice, secure heel fit, the upper one just tight enough to have some tension, and the booster strap cranked. The combination made for a mellower, less abrupt flex pattern and took away the odd pressure point I was feeling around the upper buckle. While my shins still hurt at the end of the day, since I've already bruised them I don't really expect them to stop hurting until I haven't skied for a while. It was really refreshing to be able to ski with my shins forward in the tongues again, though.
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