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post #91 of 297
Woooooohooooooo!!!!

I'm here to say that this thread about speed sucks slightly less than the half dozen other ones I've read on here.....we're making progress, people!!!

Anyway, yes, it's pretty easy to hit 60mph.......

- Drive to Killington, VT.
- Ride the K-1 Gondola.
- Find lower "Double Dipper".
- POINT IT, AND HANG ON.

That's about it really. Any gear, any day, any clothing. Hell, you could probably slide down on your ass and hit 60 mph if it was icy enough. Now, doing it and being able to stop, or doing it without losing a ski and crashing, is another point entirely. Regardless, anybody with a will to do it pretty much can......you get a cookie.
post #92 of 297
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......you get a cookie.
Someone has been watching "The Riches".
post #93 of 297
Scaryfast
post #94 of 297
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So there it is, as we used to say in Vietnam.
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
Just wanted to qoute this because you're so awesome (as we used to say in Nam)

Ohh - I've got one. My Uncle's CO used to say this (in Vietnam):

"Why don't you f***ing wish in one hand and s**t in the other and see which one fills up first?!"

This thread started out with Lonnie messing with his GPS while skiing really fast on nearly deserted groomers. Then (predictably) we get the guys who think that any time someone's skiing faster than them (10mph, natch) they are acting irresponsibly. Then (predictably) we get the Nastar racers from the EC saying it's impossible for anyone but Steve McKinney to go over 60 mph (and posting multi-paragraph soliloquies stating thier point). Too funny.

I have no idea how fast I ski, but I have been going so fast that I've come out of my tuck gradually for fear that if I just stood up I'd get blown over backwards. I regularly feel my helmet slightly lifting off my head. Speed is fun, but I don't sweat the details.
post #95 of 297
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I regularly feel my helmet slightly lifting off my head.
Helmet? Wuss.
post #96 of 297
I once skied at 88 and some change on a closed downhill training course at Sugarbush North in the 1980's.
On the same day, Doug Lewis hit 95.
Quiver: 223 cm Dynastar Descente.
post #97 of 297
Here's some speed:

http://www.skiracing.com/index.php?o...327&Ite mid=2

Two downhills with a 90mph snomo ride in between!
post #98 of 297
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
And the epicskiers wonder why they get called gapers. I'm with the others, I've been clocked at 60+ mph with a radar gun and I would swear it's not the fastest I've ever been, just a long, hard, steep section with no turns. I predicted on page one that all of the racer beaters would chime in with the blah blah speedsuits, blah blah 210 gs, blah super fancy wax. Just because sitting in your Dallas office you can't imagine skiing fast with your jeans tucked into the tops of your boots, doesn't mean it can't happen. Please leave the talk of fast skiing to those that can actually ski fast and have the real estate to do it. I think it upsets some of your delicate egos to know there are those that can ski at those speeds.

And yes, I'm going to run over all of your families and there will be severed body parts everywhere because I always ski out of control and without regard for others.
Don't get me wrong, I've been skiing for years and I go fast, but some of the comments are a bit off. And I'm not a racer, I hate it. I ski my own lines, not someone else's over and over again.
post #99 of 297
Lonnie

i agree with you - skiing 35mph isn't that hard and can be done responsibly- the hardest thing for most people to do is ski slow on crowded slopes that's irresponsible ,not skiing fast on uncrowded slopes - that's criminal !

but to get to the point in Austria where i ski mostly alot of the resorts have speed traps on the reds with a big display at the end to give you your speed and i can easily get those boys to register 70 -80 kph about 50mph. But then i'm 224lbs and once i point those skis straight nature takes over!
post #100 of 297
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So we have a bunch of folks with data from separate measured trials with multiple devices saying it's (50-60mph) is (easily) do-able, and real physics equations saying it's do-able and a bunch of naysayers saying it's impossible. Humm????
Sounds about like the right mix for Epic ski . Now what would the consensus be on TGR? Actually they might not even care because we're still talking about skis touching the snow in this case...

Seriously, I do think it's possible. I remember being clocked around 45-50mph on one of the public NASTAR courses many years ago, and I was nowhere near skiing optimum in any way. If a dipshit like me can do 45-50mph, I have no doubt that a streamlined skier who manages their drag with the right equipment and a tuck can get to 70-80mph on a long enough run. Not sure what the naysayers are thinking.
post #101 of 297
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Now what would the consensus be on TGR?
You ONLY went 60? What are you a Jong? I can do that riding switch, in pow!!!

post #102 of 297
EC Rulz. We have New Yorkers, New Jersey, pollution, truck trout, fake snow, blue bolierplate, night skiing, the big dig, limo liberals, gun laws and Dorchester.

What does the west have? The Rockies, Don Imus, Coors, brokeback mt and a distorted understanding of the time space continuum.
post #103 of 297
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Someone has been watching "The Riches".
No, I haven't.........:
post #104 of 297
Well ... if you want Steve McKinney to move at any speed faster than stationary, you'll have to dig him up.

There are at least five different discussions going on here:

1: Putting a mph number to your own speed, or your friend's speed, or the speed of someone you don't even know, but saw in a bitchin' movie once.

2: How fast you go relative to other people on the same hill.

3: How fast you go relative to other people on some other hill.

4: What skills and equipment are or are not required to go how fast.

5: How fast you should or shouldn't go.

Topic 1, if you seperate it from the others, is kind of abstract and academic. It's not enormously relevant to anything, unless you're planning to race a car and want to know how much to bet on the outcome. Not to say it's not interesting, but the interest is purely academic. FWIW, my guess is that (i) 50 is done fairly often by people on ordinary mountains when they're really moving, (ii) 60 is fairly rare, but not unknown and (iii) 70 is almost unheard of.

Topic 2 is kind of obvious to you, and to anyone who's standing there as you go by. For one thing, you can see these other skiers going past you one way or the other. Hint: if they're going from in front of you to in back, you're going faster than them; if it's the other way around, they're going faster than you. How suddenly either happens tells you how much.

Topic 3 appears to be of great interest to some people here, particularly Jer. You can get to it by way of Topic 1 or 2, but
- To get to it from Topic 1, you need reliable measurements, in mph, of various people's speeds. If you simply say, "I ski much faster than you, so I must be going 70 when you're going 50," you're reversing the logic and assuming the answer in order to determine the measurement.
- To get to it from Topic 2, you need to know how the "general" speed of the skiing population at different areas differs. I don't think this is readily knowable, though it may be "obvious" to some the the general speed at Alta is much higher than at Killington because ... just because! Actually ... I'd say it scarcely differs by region, except where the size of hill restricts it, or there's a very skewed population.

Topic 4: Skills - ability to stand up while going down hill. Generally learned the first day. That'll get you to 50 at least, if you're stupid enough to do it on a very steep hill. Do some version of a tuck in which your shoulders aren't way higher than your hips and your hands aren't touching your bellybutton, and you'll add quite a bit of speed (perhaps enough to send you spinning end-over-end in a cloud of snow and equipment at the first bump).

Equipment - Skis.

From there: If you want to go faster than someone else going down the same hill (e.g. to go 65 when he's going 60) -- a really good tuck; a suit; downhill skis; perfect wax; relaxed ankles and knees; etc.

Topic 5: Take it as a given from observation that some people sometimes ski too fast. Are any of those people you? If you are always going faster than everyone else on the hill ... probably.
post #105 of 297
Finally! I've been waitin' for ya honey!
post #106 of 297
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston View Post
Topic 3 appears to be of great interest to some people here, particularly Jer.
Like I've stated twice before - I have no idea how fast I'm going. Nor do I really care - if I did I'd get a radar gun or a GPS. I know I ski pretty fast, but that's about it.

I'm here (as usual) to crank on nerds who have thier panties in a bunch. Don't take me too seriously.

Nice multi-paragraph soliloquy, by the way.
post #107 of 297
sjjohnston wrote:

- To get to it from Topic 2, you need to know how the "general" speed of the skiing population at different areas differs. I don't think this is readily knowable, though it may be "obvious" to some the the general speed at Alta is much higher than at Killington because ... just because! Actually ... I'd say it scarcely differs by region, except where the size of hill restricts it, or there's a very skewed population.


Actually there has been studies already done by the helmet manufacture industry as to "average" skiing speeds across the nation.
I can't remember the name of the specific name of the organization, but the data they've collected has shown that the average speed is 27 mph.

With that in mind, I totally believe that 60+ is doable with normal alpine skis and normal clothes. To the naysayers I say just take a look at downhill mountain bike racers...They constantly reach speeds in the 70-80+ mph range and they aren't wearing any special speed suits, not to mention the fact that the bike generates more friction than a pair of skis do and more drag. Same hills.
post #108 of 297
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sjjohnston wrote:



Actually there has been studies already done by the helmet manufacture industry as to "average" skiing speeds across the nation.
I can't remember the name of the specific name of the organization, but the data they've collected has shown that the average speed is 27 mph.

With that in mind, I totally believe that 60+ is doable with normal alpine skis and normal clothes. To the naysayers I say just take a look at downhill mountain bike racers...They constantly reach speeds in the 70-80+ mph range and they aren't wearing any special speed suits, not to mention the fact that the bike generates more friction than a pair of skis do and more drag. Same hills.
#1 how does the average being 27 MPH equate to guys going 60-70???:

#2 the small contact patchs on rolling mountain bike tires creates more friction and drag then a pair of 180-212cm cm ski that are 4 "wide skis with oh about 500 times more surface area????:

#3 maybe I am nieve but 70-80 on a mountain bike on dirt trail?

Oh yeah, you forgot to wax your tires
post #109 of 297
Atomicman - Take a look at most mountains.. the people falling on their asses every 3 feet are going about 2mph.... maybe 5mph if they manage to keep their balance long enough... Then you have everyone else on the beginner greens going 15mph-ish... And on an average mountain, I'd say there are at least 2-3 people going less than 15mph for every person going mach speed... Therefore, it taks some people going around 55-60mph to even it all out to 27mph average.

I don't know which would have more friction, skis or bike tires... If you stop a bike tire, it'll stop. It's the friction that moves you forward... On skis, it's the lack friction that makes you move... on skis, you only have to worry about the friction on the bases, which is very low.... On a bike, you have friction in multiple places... tires on road (which is relatively high, but not detrimental to speed, really), chain on gears, tire on axle (not the right word)....

I'd say that in the end, they both have VERY minimal friction if properly maintained... that's the point right? minimizing detrimental friction...

I'd say that on the same hill on a bike and on skis, the speed that gravity pulled you would be equivalent... so similar speeds would result....
post #110 of 297
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Originally Posted by memosteve View Post
To the naysayers I say just take a look at downhill mountain bike racers...They constantly reach speeds in the 70-80+ mph range and they aren't wearing any special speed suits, not to mention the fact that the bike generates more friction than a pair of skis do and more drag. Same hills.
Just want to point out that pro DH MTB racers don't get anywhere near 70-80mph.
post #111 of 297
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Originally Posted by moguljunkie View Post
What is your deal? You ski out west a short while and suddenly you're the most arrogant poster on this forum. None of the great skiers here or on TGR talk as much crap as you (well, except for Highway Star). Are you even a level III instructor yet?
I try I really do

nope and having my level 2 would clearly limit me to a max of 20 mph......


You mistaking arrogance for truth. Arrogance would be saying I can beat endlessseason down the hill.

if you havent caught on my so called "arrogance" gets worse in threads where people just spread the WRONG info.

I dont talk crap on anyone in particular I just state blanket facts about the (almost)entire board...
post #112 of 297
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Atomicman - Take a look at most mountains.. the people falling on their asses every 3 feet are going about 2mph.... maybe 5mph if they manage to keep their balance long enough... Then you have everyone else on the beginner greens going 15mph-ish... And on an average mountain, I'd say there are at least 2-3 people going less than 15mph for every person going mach speed... Therefore, it taks some people going around 55-60mph to even it all out to 27mph average.
I understand how you arrive at an average.

to get 27, it does not take anyone going 60-70. Get otta here!

Lots of people go 35-40 and lots of people go 15- 20. that's how ya get 27. I never see anyone anywhere freesking at 60 or above, ever!!!!!

Ypur assesment of who is going how fast on athe mountain is absolute poppycock!

From 40-60 is a quantum leap and then from 60 to 70 is exponential!
post #113 of 297
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I never see anyone anywhere freesking at 60 or above, ever!!!!!
That's because it's hard to see them from the bunny hill.
post #114 of 297
I don't think my assessment is that off... at my mountain at least... I doubt we have too many people going anywhere near 60... My point wasn't that 'everyone is going 55-60mph'... My point was that you CAN have numbers as high as 55-60 or even 70... or even 100 and still come to an average of 27. You just need a bunch more of the lower numbers.. And I'm not talking about mph here... how fast people are skiing, just numbers...

But, I do think my numbers (at least for the beginners) has some truth to it... In actuality, my thread was meant to be a little bit in humor... I think that beginners going 15mph is reasonable, and at my mountain there are a LOT more people on the beginner trails than anywhere else.

Personally, I don't know how fast I ski and I'm not really concerned. I don't want to get into an argument here... was not my intent. My intent was to poke fun and to throw some numbers out to get an average of 27.

Where is Physicsman? He'll set the record straight!
post #115 of 297
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
For example, while sliding across the bottom of Alta, where we teach level 1's to slide for the first time (pretty much dead flat), early in the AM, on hard spring snow, I was doing 17-19mph (just a bit slower than I ride on my road bike on level ground). This was basically a straight run, over 1/2 mile so, hit me with the gps average thing.
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But, I do think my numbers (at least for the beginners) has some truth to it... In actuality, my thread was meant to be a little bit in humor... I think that beginners going 15mph is reasonable, and at my mountain there are a LOT more people on the beginner trails than anywhere else.
I think your numbers are right on...
post #116 of 297
In all seriousness, I spend a bit of time on the same runs Lonnie was testing on. I blow by every other skier on said runs like they're standing still. If the "average skier" is going even 27mph, that puts my speed at at least 80mph. While I doubt I'm really going that fast, I have no problem believing that Lonnie is going as fast as he says he is.
post #117 of 297
The average skier may not be going 27mph down those trails though... 27mph average is overall on every resort, on every trail, ever... Or an approximation of it...

Oh, and it doesn't take much different to seem like someone is standing still when you pass them.If you pass someone gonig 80 and they are going 60, it seems like that (on a highway, I mean)... If you pass by someone going 20mph that is jogging at 10mph it seems like that... It's all relative to the speed each thing is going... If you blew by someone like they were standing still and they were going 27mph, you could have been going only 40-45mph...
post #118 of 297
Either that or I didn't understand your post correctly....

I don't think it's saying that the average skier goes 27mph.. I think it's saying that the average speed people ski is 27mph... meaning an average of a large random sample at a random time....
post #119 of 297
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Originally Posted by hydrogen_wv View Post
It's all relative to the speed each thing is going...

One time I bombed down a groomer so fast that when I got to the bottom apes ruled the world. I fell to my knees and screamed, "You fools! You blew it up! Damn you all to hell!!".
post #120 of 297
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Either that or I didn't understand your post correctly....

I don't think it's saying that the average skier goes 27mph.. I think it's saying that the average speed people ski is 27mph... meaning an average of a large random sample at a random time....
I understood it exactly.
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