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post #1 of 25
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I live in colorado and generally ski breck, keystone and A-basin, with Vail when I get a chance to go up there. I like steeps, bumps and trees. I do like some cliffs/rocks but nothing too big (8 footers or so). I'm not a fan of groomers.

Anyway I'm currently skiing on a pair of uber old volant super carves.

I'm not sure I'll get out to test gear, so I'm looking here to see what I should get:

A couple I've been reading about are the K2 Outlaw and Chief. It seems both make a good all-mountain ski, with the Chief more centered on powder. I'm not necessarily dedicated to a K2 ski, it just seems to pop its head in a lot.

I probably won't be getting a dedicated pow ski this year, so I'm looking for something that can do it all. BTW, I plan on buying close-out, so I'm looking in the $600-$700 range total (the Outlaws can be had for 600 with bindings).

Anyway, I know these types of threads are usually hard to answer, but considering where I'm coming from I'm just looking for something that should fit most of my criteria.

BTW, I've replaced boots already with some Head S9s, so I'm good in that department.

Thanks.
post #2 of 25
Thread Starter 
One thing I forgot:

Male, 5'10" and about 170.
post #3 of 25
IMO:

The Chief is on the wide side to be considered an everyday ski unless your focus is so much on deep snow that you are willing to sacrifice a lot of other characteristics in order to get a ski that excells when it is deep. I personally own several full fat skis but would not choose one of them as my only ski.

The Outlaw is (also IMO) K2's best ski as a combo fronside/backside ski. It is smooth, damp and easygoing. It is on the heavy side and is not known as especially lively but if you like the feel of current K2's then the Outlaw is a good choice.

Other choices...............

Atomic Snoop Daddy
Rossi B3
Dynastar Legend 8800 or 8000
Salomon X Wing Fury
Nordica Afterburner or maybe Jet Fuel
Head iM 82 or 88
Elan 777

SJ
post #4 of 25

one more

What about Volkl Mantra? I live in Northeast; I tested them and they handled our ice just fine and they are made for powder.
post #5 of 25
I have skied both the K2 Outlaw and the Mantra. Both are super versatile skis, with the Outlaw being a little smoother in groomers and slightly easier in bumps, but heavier and way too damp for my tastes. The Mantra on the other hand, floats better and handled crud better. Using it in the NE also, I thought the edge grip on ice and hardpack was better than the K2 also, but not quite as quick edge to edge. The Mantra does have this odd metallic clanging to get used to, and is much less damp than to K2, especially on refrozen coral reef conditions, but would be my choice for a western one ski quiver.
post #6 of 25
If you want some skis that almost no one else has, you could get the Moment Renos. Look nice with those squared off tips. I prefer to support smaller companies like them, cause they need the $ to stay alive and keep making some quality skis.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by TacticalNuke View Post
I live in colorado and generally ski breck, keystone and A-basin, with Vail when I get a chance to go up there. I like steeps, bumps and trees. I do like some cliffs/rocks but nothing too big (8 footers or so). I'm not a fan of groomers.
K2 Public enemy would beat the K2 outlaw in the terrain you mention. Disregard the twin its one of the best skis K2 makes. Get the 179. other suggested the mantra, not great in bumps and only good in tree whens it not to bumpy, not as agile as the K2.

Out of Jim list Head Im88 would be good pick to and would the elan triple 777.
post #8 of 25
I have the Chief. It's a fat ski, not a super fat ski, but in terms of design, it's definitely a powder ski with a soft tip and a mount that's set back a fair amount. It's not terrific as a crud buster because the tip gets bashed around.

I'm going to hijack this a little by asking about PE sizing. I'm the same size, 5'11", 172lbs. Bush: how do you like the PE in moguls? Is 179 a good size for that?

By the way, SierraJim, thanks for your advice towards the Fury from a while back, but I'm seeing the PE around for a lot cheaper.

Nuke: Go here for a PE for $260: http://www.sacattack.com/items/1179. If you buy bindings with the same order, you end up getting a discount on those too.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
K2 Public enemy would beat the K2 outlaw in the terrain you mention. Disregard the twin its one of the best skis K2 makes. Get the 179. other suggested the mantra, not great in bumps and only good in tree whens it not to bumpy, not as agile as the K2.

Out of Jim list Head Im88 would be good pick to and would the elan triple 777.
I'm going to repeat the same question, not that I'm hating on the advice, but would 179 be too long for bumps?

It sounds like that ski would fit me well, as agility is the key. While I like a fast groomer now and then at the end of a steep mogul run, I live for themoguls not the fast groomer. Also, being able to move around in trees is key for me. I don't hit the park, ever, but it sounds like the ski is made for more than that. I just want to make sure on the size.

Oh, and could you recommend a binding? The price on everything should be around 600 (but, of course, spending less will not be a problem).
post #10 of 25
179 is is way to long for some people in the bumps, Ill admit to that. I have found that I now just ski bump runs alittle fast than when I was skiing the 179 PE skis. but I think it not out of his league in bumps and he will probably grow into it. Remember the PE is very nimble, quick and forgiving ski even in this size. It has made me a better skier.

My quiver is 179 PEs, 183 Gotamas, and 184 Mantras so the PE is my go to ski in bumps and slower hardpack.

This video was taken in very colorado like snow conditions, chalky edgeable hard pack, not much loose snow. Last clips is powder bumps It include steeps(really steep steeper than most anything in the resorts mentioned), bumps and chutes. All done on 179 PE by me.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...04568788841353
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
179 is is way to long for some people in the bumps, Ill admit to that. I have found that I now just ski bump runs alittle fast than when I was skiing the 179 PE skis. but I think it not out of his league in bumps and he will probably grow into it. Remember the PE is very nimble, quick and forgiving ski even in this size. It has made me a better skier.

My quiver is 179 PEs, 183 Gotamas, and 184 Mantras so the PE is my go to ski in bumps and slower hardpack.

This video was taken in very colorado like snow conditions, chalky edgeable hard pack, not much loose snow. Last clips is powder bumps It include steeps(really steep steeper than most anything in the resorts mentioned), bumps and chutes. All done on 179 PE by me.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...04568788841353
Nice video.

How do you think it'd handle in tighter bumps with more piston action from the knees?
post #12 of 25
fine I finally started to do that on less steep bumps but on those steeps I WANTED to slow down. At alta(way tighter bumps) they are the only ski I like over there. There is a kid from TGR I ski with who has pair and use to be a pro bump ski and says he loves them in the bumps. The type of skiing your doing.

Despite my sig I prefer rounder longer turns, pivot/skidding/pistoning knees is not fun in the bumps to me, I can do it but there is no reason to beat my knees like that.
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
Alright, sounds good to me.

I'll have to decide between 174 and 179.

And could you recommend a binding. The PEs can be had for 250, so I have up to 350 for a binding, but I don't think I'll need to spend that much for something decent.

If you were to recommend a second ski for my quiver, what would you recommend? A powder monster or something different? Just so I have something to save for.
post #14 of 25
I say go with the 179. Remeber, this is a twin tip you are talking about, so the running length is already cut down considerably because it has a waste-of-space on the tail. I am only 5' 7" and 160lbs, and would not get caught on anything less than the 179. In fact I was pretty close to buying a pair that Bushwacker pointed me to on SAC a few weeks ago... then I realized that I had too many skis already and decided to forego the purchase...
Later
GREG
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
I say go with the 179. Remeber, this is a twin tip you are talking about, so the running length is already cut down considerably because it has a waste-of-space on the tail. I am only 5' 7" and 160lbs, and would not get caught on anything less than the 179. In fact I was pretty close to buying a pair that Bushwacker pointed me to on SAC a few weeks ago... then I realized that I had too many skis already and decided to forego the purchase...
Later
GREG
Fine, you all have me convinced.

Now for a binding and I'll order it all today.
post #16 of 25
I'd get the Rossignol Axial2 120 Ti Pro while you're getting the skis. It'll get discounted to 120 when you put it in your cart. If you need a burlier binding, there's the Dynastar P18 WC for 270. I happen to really like my Look bindings, so these are what come to mind for me. (Rossi and Dynastar bindings are both Look.)

No, I don't work for backcountry.com, I've just been thinking about the same sort of setup you're thinking about.
post #17 of 25
Thread Starter 
So do you think the 88 mm binding would fit the PEs or should I go with the 100mm.

http://www.rei.com/product/743387

REI has it 10 bucks cheaper and offers two options, not really sure what they mean.
post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 
Well I just ordered the PE and the Rossi bindings. $400 shipped, not bad at all.

Thanks for the help everyone.

Now time to save for pontoons.
post #19 of 25
Either 174cm or 179cm would be fine for you; at your height the 174cm would be a better all around ski and the 179cm better for big-mountain use and soft snow. Either length is effectively 15cm shorter on hardpack and about 5cm longer in soft snow. I did a review in the gear reviews forum that goes into a lot more detail. I'm 6'1" 185lb and find the 179cm to be great, even in bumps.

When you get the skis, you will see there is a scale for different mounting points. Most people mount +2 to +4, and it makes the ski quite a bit more manageable in bumps. Also improves hardpack carving in my opinion -- I went +2.5 and it lines up the ski center perfectly with my BOF. Because of the long shallow tips, you still get good float with a + mount.

I noticed in Bush's video his skis look a little longish ahead of the boot, and if I remember right, I think he mounted at 0; going +2-3cm would balance them out a bit better and make them a little easier to rotary through the bumps. The tails sweep around easily on the PEs even with a + mount, but centering up and shortening the forward section make them easier to aim and gun through the bumps (and I'm not just talking about the graphics).
post #20 of 25
you are right mine are mounted at 0. I mounted following HS advice.

I wish they made this ski in a 184 or 189. Right now it rocks but at that length but would think at speed the extra length would be nice.
post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the mounting info, I'll make sure to take advantage of that when I get them mounted.
post #22 of 25
Thread Starter 
I've been reading around a bit here and have seen some talk of lifters. I sort of understand what they are (okay not really) but seeing as how I haven't bought skis for a long time could someone please explain if I should get them with this setup?

Also I'm planning on getting them mounted at REI, will any old shop be able to mount lifters or will I need to go someplace on-mountain (or perhaps I should go someplace on mountain).
post #23 of 25
You don't need any lift on that ski. Don't worry about it.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
You don't need any lift on that ski. Don't worry about it.
Thank you much.
post #25 of 25
Yeah, definitely don't go with lifters on this type of ski, they would just make them feel clumsier underfoot.
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