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Why do you guys only discuss all mountain skis? GS/SL here!

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Every thread I read about skis in here are about all mountain. Why do you guys never discuss SL skis or GS skis?
I have never driven all mountain skis - am I missing something?

Please discuss GS and SL skis on this thread
I'd like to test some skis - this far my favorite is Atomic GS12 175cm - I'm 175cm tall myself and weigh about 145lbs. Please enlighten me
post #2 of 27
In years passed, i used to ski race skis exclusively, the GS skis from the mid 90's were some of the best skis every produced and they were great all mountain skis as well. I think that the current generation of race skis are so race specific that they have last their versatility and less and less people are keeping a GS in their quiver. I did pick up a pair of SL's this season and fell in love with the carving ability though, but the ski doesn't want to play in the moguls, where my old Salomon 3S'S as a SL would be happy in them.

But I think you are missing something, there are some great all mountain skis that are 90% of what your GS's are, but so much better in other areas too. I have a pair of Blizzard Titan Nines which really remind my of my old GS's yet are 86 in the waist to take all over the mountain in many types of snow.
post #3 of 27
There are discussions of SL and GS skis quite frequently.
Here's just one example of a recent thread

Funny, some people on the web think we only discuss the perfect carve, and race stock skis.

I've seen a variety of ski style/type discussions and an expansion of ideas over the past year that has broadened my way of thinking, not to mention my quiver.
post #4 of 27
I would like to take this opportunity to state that SL and GS skis are not the optimal tools for deep powder.
post #5 of 27
I would like to take this opportunity to suggest that Jer change his user name to Faucet.

His posts run kind of hot and cold. He is either lucid and right on the money or the meds have worn off and he (?) .... is er ....

post #6 of 27
I'm just tryin' to fit in.
post #7 of 27
Then sit down so I can see. Beer is in the fridge.
post #8 of 27

Yet another benefit to unfashionably long skis....

One sunny day this week I decided to have a proper lunch on the hill. I put my 8 or 9 year old beloved Atomic 10.26 Beta race (193cm of pure slope hugging weight, to paraphrase Detroit from the 1980's...) on the rack, sans lock (another benefit to old GS skis, I rarely worry about them being stolen...).

Upon returning from lunch my skis were immediately identified, they were standing proud above everyone elses!
post #9 of 27
Oldest trick in the book ... at least when you are married. Leave those old skis unlocked praying they will vanish.

Then you need new GS skis. Not just want them. :
post #10 of 27

Discussing 2006-2007 Salomon LAB SL, 165cm, w/LAB916 bindings

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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Every thread I read about skis in here are about all mountain. Why do you guys never discuss SL skis or GS skis?
I have never driven all mountain skis - am I missing something?

Please discuss GS and SL skis on this thread
I'd like to test some skis - this far my favorite is Atomic GS12 175cm - I'm 175cm tall myself and weigh about 145lbs. Please enlighten me
Well, I like to hear about race carvers outside of the FIS race skis too. But while my Master's Race career winds down, 54 and counting up, I am soon to be buying only Gotamas or Mantra type fatties to swipe my way through Hokkaido (Japan) or Japanese Sierra Cement at Naeba/Mitsumata/Kagura or OkuShigaKougen Resort.

My current setup seems to be spec ed to use the LAB (soft) boots...so to speak. I used my XT24 Technica and lost alot of sensitivity vs. using the LAB X2 boots (with the hexagonal holes) which helps (only in my case) me make minor adjustments in SL lines while banging the poles. But that may just be a function of my lousy technique.

At 5'11", 190lbs, a barking bear indeed. A tip-toeing fattie is more like it. Hahahahahaha.

How long Salomon will keep the monocouque factories running in France, nobody knows accept the bean counters at Ameratec!! I bought the LABs for the sole reason that I fully expect to see VR27 Dynamic (Atomic) likeish Salomon LAB skis, that are made in Austria. NO surprise in M&A downsizing major industry, as they say.

Ciao y'all.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by kenboSouthCentralinJapon View Post
Well, I like to hear about race carvers outside of the FIS race skis too. But while my Master's Race career winds down, 54 and counting up, I am soon to be buying only Gotamas or Mantra type fatties to swipe my way through Hokkaido (Japan) or Japanese Sierra Cement at Naeba/Mitsumata/Kagura or OkuShigaKougen Resort.

My current setup seems to be spec ed to use the LAB (soft) boots...so to speak. I used my XT24 Technica and lost alot of sensitivity vs. using the LAB X2 boots (with the hexagonal holes) which helps (only in my case) me make minor adjustments in SL lines while banging the poles. But that may just be a function of my lousy technique.

At 5'11", 190lbs, a barking bear indeed. A tip-toeing fattie is more like it. Hahahahahaha.

How long Salomon will keep the monocouque factories running in France, nobody knows accept the bean counters at Ameratec!! I bought the LABs for the sole reason that I fully expect to see VR27 Dynamic (Atomic) likeish Salomon LAB skis, that are made in Austria. NO surprise in M&A downsizing major industry, as they say.

Ciao y'all.
Amer Sports????
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
I would like to take this opportunity to suggest that Jer change his user name to Faucet.

His posts run kind of hot and cold. He is either lucid and right on the money or the meds have worn off and he (?) .... is er ....

the placebo effect!
post #13 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Every thread I read about skis in here are about all mountain. Why do you guys never discuss SL skis or GS skis?
I have never driven all mountain skis - am I missing something?

Please discuss GS and SL skis on this thread
I'd like to test some skis - this far my favorite is Atomic GS12 175cm - I'm 175cm tall myself and weigh about 145lbs. Please enlighten me
On the contrary. discussions about Race skis all the time!

Gaze into the white light, hit the search button and you will see all!
post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 
Okay sry about the racethreadthingyproblem - I just saw 5 all mountain threads at a time.. What I really wanted was some ideas on what I should demo on my next vacation...
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
I would like to take this opportunity to state that SL and GS skis are not the optimal tools for deep powder.
The do better than SGs in the deep stuff though.
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by flaviaman View Post
One sunny day this week I decided to have a proper lunch on the hill. I put my 8 or 9 year old beloved Atomic 10.26 Beta race (193cm of pure slope hugging weight, to paraphrase Detroit from the 1980's...) on the rack, sans lock (another benefit to old GS skis, I rarely worry about them being stolen...).

Upon returning from lunch my skis were immediately identified, they were standing proud above everyone elses!
I noticed the same thing the last time I took my 208 Kästle SGs out for some fun. It's even worse in small-hill Ontario. Heck, even my general-purpose easy cruizing all-mountan Vollant's (190cm)are taller than most skis on the hill.

I really like the GS sidecut. It's easy to get some big angle carves going at a decent speed without worrying about getting whiplash from the sudden change of direction.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Okay sry about the racethreadthingyproblem - I just saw 5 all mountain threads at a time.. What I really wanted was some ideas on what I should demo on my next vacation...
What sort of skier are you? Presumably given your affinity for race skis you like laying down railroad tracks on groomers. Do you do any actual racing, how skilled are you?

If you're up closer towards the expert (very subjective word, but we'll use it for now) end of the spectrum, a race stock ski might give you a huge grin on your face, but if you don't have the skills to handle it, you could be struggling when all you need is the standard consumer pseudo-race ski.
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
I would like to take this opportunity to state that SL and GS skis are not the optimal tools for deep powder.
DUH! :
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Amer Sports????
Your correction is well noted Atomicman, danka. It is Amer Sports, I meant to say.

Salomon LAB or race skis have fallen out of favor in the BB forums in recent years but I like them alot, especially the LAB SL for the current season- 2007. It seems the whole tomato of LAB boots, LAB skis and LAB binding are all well integrated or in my "imagination" were tested together as a unit. The evolution of the stock LAB riser plates (outsourced to VIST) seemed to evolve every season and I really liked the current iteration. I personally think the LAB 900 series of bindings are really solid and simple in their approach as a racing binding vs. a racing-like binding. In particular is the AFD...it is old school- just a hard plastic teflon coated AFD to be very flush with the boot vs. a movable stainless AFD(Marker) or a moving self lubricating band (Tyrolia) or moving/slide AFD (Atomic NEOX, Look/Rossi, recent Salomon FIS models).

Yes all equipment is very good at this level- I just prefer the Salomon setup vs. Head, Rossi, Atomic, Fischer's total binding/boot/ski package or Stockli/VIST, and or mix and match with or without Lange setups.

Good luck with your choices! I am happy with mine.
post #20 of 27
Salomon race product is going to be available by special order only in the US next season. It's not even in the catalog.
post #21 of 27
i think Phil hit it on the nose.

BTW, the Titan series from Blizzard, while billed as an All Mountain/Big Mountain series, do really ride like old slalom skis. They were one of the few that reminded me of my old Rossi 7S's, but a bit more versatile.

Additionally, quite a few "all-mountain" skis are designed by race ski folks. For example the King Salmon from AK, as well as their No Ka Oi, both have the spunk and speed of a race ski with the properties of mid-fat all-mountains.

what it also boils down to is what type of terrain you like to ride. Me, i prefer texture (off-piste), so a GS or SL ski is kind of a moot point. Ditto for where you ride (Tahoe, with very VARIABLE conditions from day to day) and whether or not you race.

booga-booga!
post #22 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by CanuckInstructor View Post
What sort of skier are you? Presumably given your affinity for race skis you like laying down railroad tracks on groomers. Do you do any actual racing, how skilled are you?

If you're up closer towards the expert (very subjective word, but we'll use it for now) end of the spectrum, a race stock ski might give you a huge grin on your face, but if you don't have the skills to handle it, you could be struggling when all you need is the standard consumer pseudo-race ski.
I have absolutely no problem handling any skis. Been skiing all my life. I'm from Denmark, so the competition thing is hard for me to be in, but I'm surely a level 8 skier.
And yes I love driving 55mp/h while carving
post #23 of 27
Willkommen til Epic Ski. I've been fortunate to have visited Denmark. It's great place. The only thing it lacks is mountains. However, you sure have a lot of fantastic skiing not too far away.

You will very likely get more responses if you start a new thread asking for specific information on certain brands/models. Use the search feature first to see what has been posted already. There are a number of race ski reviews that have been written here from SL to SG, race skis and a lot about race carvers.
Good luck.
post #24 of 27
One also might be better served asking about GS/SL skis here:

http://forums.epicski.com/forumdisplay.php?f=40




FWIW, if i lived in Denmark I'd pop over to Sweden and pick me up a pair of these Rhino Chasers!

http://www.hendryxskis.se/
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
I have absolutely no problem handling any skis. Been skiing all my life. I'm from Denmark, so the competition thing is hard for me to be in, but I'm surely a level 8 skier.
And yes I love driving 55mp/h while carving
Well, if thats the case then you would probably really enjoy picking up a race stock ski. With a good driver they can be an awesome ride. They're usually not available to demo, so your best bet is to look around here for reviews and ask people who've skied them. There aren't that many race stock reviews, but enough to get a good idea of the characteristics of each brand.
The various skis to look at from each brand:
Atomic GS/SL & LT/ST (womens) race stock
Head i.GS-RD/i.SL-RD
Nordica GS-R/SL-R
Rossignol RX WC/RS WC
Salomon GS/SL Lab
Volkl Racetiger GS/SL race stock
post #26 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by CanuckInstructor View Post
Well, if thats the case then you would probably really enjoy picking up a race stock ski. With a good driver they can be an awesome ride. They're usually not available to demo, so your best bet is to look around here for reviews and ask people who've skied them. There aren't that many race stock reviews, but enough to get a good idea of the characteristics of each brand.
The various skis to look at from each brand:
Atomic GS/SL & LT/ST (womens) race stock
Head i.GS-RD/i.SL-RD
Nordica GS-R/SL-R
Rossignol RX WC/RS WC
Salomon GS/SL Lab
Volkl Racetiger GS/SL race stock
Yes, as I described in my opening my favorite ski is the Atomic GS12 - isn't that a race stock ski?
Do you know what the characteristics are for the different brands? Which makes the stiffest ski? Which has the lowest radius? etc.
post #27 of 27
The GS12 you have is almost certainly just the retail stock. It's a very different ski - different construction, not as stiff, smaller radius. Atomic uses the same model numbers for the retail and race stock stuff.

The stiffest skis tend to be Atomic, Head, Nordica and Fischer. Softer ones tend to be Rossi, Dynastar and Salomon. That's not an exact list obviously, it's a range, and not everyone feels the same way about each ski.

When you get race stock stuff, the bad news is its hard/impossible to demo, but the good news is that it's all great stuff - you'd likely be happy with anything.
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