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post #31 of 55
Looks like a nice area (from the few times I've driven by on Bowles there). Close to the foothills -- although note that the foothills around that area are all private land. To "play" in the foothills, you need to go a little north up C-470 by the Morrison exit to access the various Open Space parks (Mt. Falcon, Dinosaur Ridge); you're also pretty close to Waterton Canyon (great mt biking) and Roxborough State Park (south on Wadsworth/Platte Canyon Rd past C-470).

Not sure about accessing light rail from there, but I know there are no nearby light rail stations for sure. Getting to Santa Fe from there will be a haul, since your most direct route, Bowles, can take a while to get through (lots of lights).

To drive downtown, you'd take C-470 north to US-6 east to I-25 north (for a very short stretch). I don't drive that route in rush hour, so don't know for sure, but without traffic, it's probably a 30-minute drive. C-470 usually moves decently in that area even in rush hour (I drive to Golden from US-285/Morrison for PT around rush hour). US-6 east will be the worst, but it usually keeps moving, so it's not too bad. You'll be on I-25 for such a short time, the traffic probably won't affect you. For some reason, traffic during the afternoon rush hour is often a lot worse on US-6 west and C-470 south especially.
post #32 of 55
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Originally Posted by lnester View Post
- we've ruled out Denver; even the "nice" neighborhoods look a bit rough for us, and we can't afford the expensive $500K+ houses
A bit rough? What did you see one bum and freak out?! Bwhahahahahahahaha!

One more lemming heads to the suburbs!
post #33 of 55
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No, but I refuse to pay $400K+ for a piece of crap house in a neighborhood that may or may not be safe. I don't care for a bunch of hood rats running around the neighborhood...

Honestly, I heard how great downtown Denver was, but all I saw was a bunch of overpriced houses in rundown neighborhoods. Personally, I think it's a lot of dumb money looking for a place to invest. Once the bubble bursts, the urban areas of these large cities will be hurt the most. It takes a long time to drive the riff-raff out of areas and fill them with better tenants/owners. If the real estate bubble depresses before that process is completed, investors will be left holding the bag.
post #34 of 55
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No, but I refuse to pay $400K+ for a piece of crap house in a neighborhood that may or may not be safe. I don't care for a bunch of hood rats running around the neighborhood...

Honestly, I heard how great downtown Denver was, but all I saw was a bunch of overpriced houses in rundown neighborhoods. Personally, I think it's a lot of dumb money looking for a place to invest. Once the bubble bursts, the urban areas of these large cities will be hurt the most. It takes a long time to drive the riff-raff out of areas and fill them with better tenants/owners. If the real estate bubble depresses before that process is completed, investors will be left holding the bag.
This is a really stupid, generalized comment about a city you know nothing about. Rundown neighborhoods? You were obviously looking in the wrong areas if you couldn't find a nice neighborhood near downtown Denver.

As for the bubble bursting... how come everyone always says "when the bubble bursts" and it never really does? Granted, RE prices aren't skyrocketing these days, but they're never going to burst in major metro areas in Colorado.
post #35 of 55
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I don't care for a bunch of hood rats running around the neighborhood...
Yeah, you got to watch out for those Washington Park and Cheesman Park hood rats. They might sick their lab on you or run you over on their rollerblades!
post #36 of 55
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This is a really stupid, generalized comment about a city you know nothing about. Rundown neighborhoods? You were obviously looking in the wrong areas if you couldn't find a nice neighborhood near downtown Denver...
There are a lot of nice neighborhoods in downtown Denver, but not many decent houses in them for less than $400K, and those will have about 1500 sq ft and be 100 years old. Charming, yes, but not very practical unless you want to spend all your weekends at Home Depot.

Don't forget they are coming from Austin, where home values are quite a bit lower.
post #37 of 55
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Yeah, you got to watch out for those Washington Park and Cheesman Park hood rats. They might sick their lab on you or run you over on their rollerblades!
Dude, the average listing price in Wash Park is over $600K! Give the guy a break.
post #38 of 55
Check the Highlands area- pretty sure you can get a nice house under $400k.

Also- I'm not sure where you can get a NEW house (under 10 yrs old), in downtown of any major city for under $400k. I think your expectations were a little high if that's the case.
post #39 of 55
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Originally Posted by lnester View Post
Honestly, I heard how great downtown Denver was, but all I saw was a bunch of overpriced houses in rundown neighborhoods. Personally, I think it's a lot of dumb money looking for a place to invest.
Hmmm...Walking access to fine dining, great bars, sporting events, theatre, museums, light rail, biking trails, etc. versus living on an "island" in the burbs where you have to hop in a car to do anything. Yes there are investors looking to flip properties, just like in the burbs, but living downtown is so convenient...more of a quality of life issue.

Wow, if you don't feel safe in Denver, then I don't know where you will feel safe. Have you traveled much out of Austin? It probably is a good option for you to stay in the burbs and out of any city. Seriously though, traffic is horrendous in Denver...I recommend that you first find out where you are going to work, then move very close to your office.
post #40 of 55
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Yes, I should have precluded my statements with the disclaimer that we're looking for something under $400K. Honestly, we probably are a bit spoiled in Austin. You can get a very nice property close to downtown in Austin (Dallas and Houston as well) for that price.

I guess Denver prices resemble California and east coast prices. My expectations were a bit out of whack.

Thanks for the feedback though...we're anxious to learn a lot about Denver.
post #41 of 55
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Yes, I should have precluded my statements with the disclaimer that we're looking for something under $400K. Honestly, we probably are a bit spoiled in Austin. You can get a very nice property close to downtown in Austin (Dallas and Houston as well) for that price.

I guess Denver prices resemble California and east coast prices. My expectations were a bit out of whack.

Thanks for the feedback though...we're anxious to learn a lot about Denver.
This is a terrible diversion from main topic of this thread, but I couldn't resist. Look what a million bucks will get you in a nice part of Washington DC :-(
Enjoy your bargain hunting in Denver.

http://www.homesdatabase.com/matchmr...ECM3H4VQ%3d%3d
post #42 of 55
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Once the bubble bursts, the urban areas of these large cities will be hurt the most.
I couldn't disagree more. There is nothing scarce about most suburban homes. People wrongly assume that the scarcity of prime properties is always reflected in current pricing but the reality is that every mediocre property constructed and occupied nearby makes other types of property more scarce and more valuable.

There are so many long-term demographic/economic/political changes getting under way that pose risk to the suburbs I barely know where to start. The most obvious is rising commuting costs but for every obvious reason there are many subtle ones as well.

Having said all that I also moved here from Texas, got half the house for twice the money. I thought for sure I had bought the top of the market, was quickly proved wrong so I bought one of the best properties in town.

Living in Texas skews your normal for housing since land is unlimited, labor is cheap, and construction methods/materials are relatively inexpensive.
Living in Texas also skews your opinion of urban living. Living in urban Denver is NOTHING like Dallas or Houston.
post #43 of 55
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This is a terrible diversion from main topic of this thread, but I couldn't resist. Look what a million bucks will get you in a nice part of Washington DC :-(
Enjoy your bargain hunting in Denver.

http://www.homesdatabase.com/matchmr...ECM3H4VQ%3d%3d
Or a teardown in Newport Beach for $1.375 mil!

http://homes.realtor.com/search/list...rcnt=23#Detail
post #44 of 55
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Living in Texas skews your normal for housing since land is unlimited, labor is cheap, and construction methods/materials are relatively inexpensive.
This is true, from what I've seen. The quality of even inexpensive homes in Texas is much higher than it is here.
post #45 of 55
I am no Denvertie, but by accident I found many houses in Denver for sale on the HUD web site.

http://www.hud.gov/homes/index.cfm

I did not find any in my area, nevertheless. And have no idea of the values in those houses on the list.
post #46 of 55
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn View Post
Check the Highlands area- pretty sure you can get a nice house under $400k.

Also- I'm not sure where you can get a NEW house (under 10 yrs old), in downtown of any major city for under $400k. I think your expectations were a little high if that's the case.
Try Newark, NJ. This could be the view from your window:



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post #47 of 55
Golden! I go to school there and absolutely love it. You have all the conveniences of Denver nearby, however, you are isolated from the urban sprawl of a large city by north and south table mountains. The drive to summit county is quite easy, you miss any and all traffic in Denver, however you are still subject to the traffic in the mountains like everybody else. There are wonderful biking/hiking trails around town that go into the mountains or into Denver for off season training. I live in Golden and still make the 15-20 minure drive into downtown to go to mass every Sunday. Also, there is always the Coors brewery in town, 3 free beers every day if you wish, just take the short tour. Golden definately has the small town feel about it. You can easily walk/ride around town. There is Clear Creek to kayak and walk along with small shops. Unfortunately I live on campus so I can't help much with real estate advice but wish you the best of luck iny our decision.
post #48 of 55

Sticker Shock!

Consider yourself lucky.

Our firm is relocating to Boulder, and we recently returned from a house-hunting trip in the area. Our price range is about the same as yours, and we couldn't find a dog house there for $400 K.

Seriously, the house we have in Bellingham would retail for 2.5 times the price in Boulder.

We going to have to settle for a LOT less house, if we want to live in the town.

There's a bit of semi-reasonable property remaining in the Table Mesa area - it's likely where we'll settle.

Littleton is a nice area. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Congrats!
post #49 of 55
Captain

you have found the "boulder premium." It is why many folk choose to live outside the city limits of Boulder, but still within Boulder County. For what you have to pay for a small 50's style house in Table Mesa you can get a newer and larger abode in Louisville or Layfayette, and the commute is not bad into Boulder either. I choose to live in Louisville not so much because of the prpoerty prices, but because it was closer to the airport, I could live on a golf course with mountain views, and the back range views are better, in my opinion, to the front range views you get from Boulder.

Mike
post #50 of 55
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Captain

you have found the "boulder premium." It is why many folk choose to live outside the city limits of Boulder, but still within Boulder County. For what you have to pay for a small 50's style house in Table Mesa you can get a newer and larger abode in Louisville or Layfayette, and the commute is not bad into Boulder either. I choose to live in Louisville not so much because of the prpoerty prices, but because it was closer to the airport, I could live on a golf course with mountain views, and the back range views are better, in my opinion, to the front range views you get from Boulder.

Mike
Mike: Yes, we did indeed discover the "Boulder Premium". Staggering!

You're right about a small, 50's house in Table Mesa. It took a few days to re-orient my value system.

Louisville was my first choice, and Gunbarrel also has some nice options. But the Supreme Commander (wife), likes the social buzz of Boulder.

We've agreed to rent for a year and then decide. Personally, I like the idea of being slightly out of town.

We look forward to Colorado!
post #51 of 55
you know, there are several Gunbarrel bears here (I am one of them). We're really about the same distance from the Pearl St. Mall as is Martin Acres (one of the Table Mesa/Broadway neighborhoods). On my bike, it's 5.3 miles to Whole Foods, with about 1.5 miles more to downtown.
post #52 of 55
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you know, there are several Gunbarrel bears here (I am one of them). We're really about the same distance from the Pearl St. Mall as is Martin Acres (one of the Table Mesa/Broadway neighborhoods). On my bike, it's 5.3 miles to Whole Foods, with about 1.5 miles more to downtown.
We saw some beautiful neighborhoods in Gunbarrel, with much better home value.

Once we get through the initial transition, I'd be pleased to live there. It makes sense.

I'd like to get on my bike a lot more. The weather and road design supports bikes better than anywhere I've seen. A nice feature!
post #53 of 55
Thread Starter 
We finally found a home we like in the Trailmark neighborhood right next to Chatfield. The Golden area is where we want to "move up" to on our next home purchase, so we can get to the $500-600K range.
post #54 of 55
Yea, Boulder is a pretty interesting place. Once it became "cool" 25 years ago, real estate is prime cut. I remember when they were building the Table Mesa area.

The real estate bubble hasn't burst but some pretty big leaks have been going on since the sub-prime mortgage debackle a few months ago. Denver, has been growing like a weed, for the last 20 years, so as someone else mentioned it's a buyers market and will probably get better. I would rent first as the prices in the area will probably continue to fall until next year.

One of my buddies moved to Aurora about 25 years ago, a suburb on the east side of Denver. He tells me Aurora now has over 1m people and is the largest city in CO, is that true?

One of the best things about the Denver area is Red Rocks up in Morrison. I saw the Dead and the Moody Blues, a truly memorable and magical place to see a concert. If concerts are your thing in the summer you have to check that out.
post #55 of 55
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
you know, there are several Gunbarrel bears here (I am one of them). We're really about the same distance from the Pearl St. Mall as is Martin Acres (one of the Table Mesa/Broadway neighborhoods). On my bike, it's 5.3 miles to Whole Foods, with about 1.5 miles more to downtown.
Its a bit further from Lousville, but still rideable. I have my regular route which is a bit circuitious to Boulder, but it takes me about 30 minutes to get there (via Marshall Road and Cherrvale).

Cap'n, the social scene in Boulder is probably as easy to do from Lousiville as from TM. It is only 6 miles down 36. I'm sure you are experiencing sticker shock -- my father in-law moved last August from Bellingham to Louisville!

You'll love it, I suspect.

Mike
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