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Thoughts about a VIST plate application

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
I am leaning to some 888's as my main ski for next season (I already have a pair for my son), but I want something beefier than the standard "demo" binding and I was thinking about putting some VIST Speedlocks on them. I will have the VISTs on my SL's and really like the ability to adjust quickly without any loss in the interface. I am not so much concerned about using the same bindings on both skis, because I will have to swap brakes too, but I will want the ability to let the skis be demoed and tried by friends.

My current Speedlocks have Markers on them. Does VIST offer plates for Salomon and Tyrolia?

Any thoughts here or should I just go with a simple demo set up?
post #2 of 28
Hi Phil,

I think these take any bindings: http://www.lous.ca/products/bindings...3_14_16_18.htm
Also see: http:http://www.lous.ca/products/bindingsandrisers/vist.htm
Contact Lou, he is having an end-of-year sale: http://www.lous.ca/

None of these are Demo easy-to-use. The full Speedlock system is available from Lou: http://www.lous.ca/products/bindings...eedlock_tt.htm , but it requires Vist bindings.

Most demo bindings have drawbacks. Of the three demo set-ups I have, only the Look Fluid system on my Dynastar Contacts are as good as a standard binding.

Another option is the Tyrolia plate: http://levelninesports.com/tyrolia-2...lver-p-80.html with the MOJO 15 bindings or FF17 bindings. The plate makes it possible to change positions without re-drilling, but the bindings must be removed and reinstalled.

Cheers,

Michael
post #3 of 28
The first set of VISTs will noticeably change the flex and personality of the midsection of the ski. I would not use them on a bump ski*.

What about Nordica plates, race or demo?

(*should say 'again'. Yeah, I know, you saw different at ESA but you can learn from my mistakes).
post #4 of 28
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
The first set of VISTs will noticeably change the flex and personality of the midsection of the ski. I would not use them on a bump ski*.

What about Nordica plates, race or demo?

(*should say 'again'. Yeah, I know, you saw different at ESA but you can learn from my mistakes).
Hmmmm, I will be taking these in the bumps from time to time.
post #5 of 28
Hi Phil,

I agree that the race plates from Vist are too stiff for anything but racing & high speed groomer cruising.

I'm considering this for my next set-up for the 88 to 105mm wide all-mountain & deep snow ski;

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With this;

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and these;

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What we have is a 9mm plate from Tyrolia, about $20, a Tyrolia Free Flex 17 binding (yes, free flex & a max DIN setting of 17) for about $150 and the 93mm or 115mm wide brake for $35.

The ski will still flex and the binding can be repositioned without re-drilling. snow feel is maximized with this set-up without losing free-flex or the ability to re-install without drilling. The MOJO 15 will also fit the plate, but free-flex is lost. Unscrewing & re-installing is not a slope-side activity, but can be performed at the hotel.

Michael
post #6 of 28
Thread Starter 
Michael,

I am pretty sure I can pretty much get the same setup from Elan (since they also are Tyrolia bindings). I do like the VIST's though.

These are for freeride and all around application...
post #7 of 28
VIST does not make a speedlock compatable adapter of other binding brands.
The Tele-adapter never made it to production either.

...at least that's what Toby Kerr told me.
post #8 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
VIST does not make a speedlock compatable adapter of other binding brands.

...at least that's what Toby Kerr told me.
Other than Marker?
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Other than Marker?
Other than Vist, That's what Lou told me. I know your Blizzards have the Marker/Vist set-up, I'm not sure that's available in the U.S.

I asked Lou if the MOJO or FF 17 could be used on the Speedlock, he said no, Vist only.

Michael
post #10 of 28
Just picked up a pair of Stockli Rotors [124-76-109] on an end of season sale and I plan on mounting the 9mm Tyrolia plate and a pair of Fischer freeflex [same as Tyrolia and Elan] on them. The colors even Match!
post #11 of 28
Several things. Don't understand your comments about your Speedlocks having Markers on them. Speedlock plates will only accept VIST bindings.

Also, VIST makes many many plates, to say that VIST plate shouldn't be used on skis for bumps makes no sense. Simply use the correct plate. Not all VIST plates are race plates, or stiff race plates. Speedlock plate is available in two versions that would be fine for bumps.

Lou
post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by race510 View Post
Several things. Don't understand your comments about your Speedlocks having Markers on them. Speedlock plates will only accept VIST bindings.


Lou
My Vists Speedlocks DO have Markers (14.0) on them.
post #13 of 28

Speedlocks with Markers

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
My Vists Speedlocks DO have Markers (14.0) on them.
Phil:
Impossible or nearly impossible. Speedlock risers of which there are only 3 are only drilled for VIST bindings. ONly way to use another binding on the speedlock riser is to use adapter plate which they call tele plate. Tele plate is blank plate that has pin setup to interface to Speedlock risers. On to this blank plate can be mounted any binding. Unfortunately, plate for heel piece had running change last season and no longer has enough pins to solidly hold alpine heel piece. Original design showed four pins but final design had only 2. Vist sees this setup as tele adapter not as adapter to make any binding work with Speedlock plates.

Phil don't know what you have but it is some kind of bastardized something or someone took Speedlock risers off VIST skis and installed Marker binding.

Lou
post #14 of 28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by race510 View Post
Phil:
Impossible or nearly impossible. Speedlock risers of which there are only 3 are only drilled for VIST bindings. ONly way to use another binding on the speedlock riser is to use adapter plate which they call tele plate. Tele plate is blank plate that has pin setup to interface to Speedlock risers. On to this blank plate can be mounted any binding. Unfortunately, plate for heel piece had running change last season and no longer has enough pins to solidly hold alpine heel piece. Original design showed four pins but final design had only 2. Vist sees this setup as tele adapter not as adapter to make any binding work with Speedlock plates.

Phil don't know what you have but it is some kind of bastardized something or someone took Speedlock risers off VIST skis and installed Marker binding.

Lou

You can see the top of the VIST plate above the toe. I had this picture on file, unfortunatly, skis are in VT and I can't get a better picture.
post #15 of 28
What skis are those on? Any idea where I can get the Marker plates? FWIW - for your application, I'd look athe Salomon Z-bindings which you can buy with tracks. They are easy enough to use that even I can adjust them.
post #16 of 28
Thread Starter 

Fuzzy pic, but they are on some 07 Blizzard Mag SL's
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
What skis are those on? Any idea where I can get the Marker plates? FWIW - for your application, I'd look athe Salomon Z-bindings which you can buy with tracks. They are easy enough to use that even I can adjust them.
FWIW, the Z12 has gotten terrible reviews on TGR. The titanium heel tracks are a weak point that breaks, often castastrophically. Just ask Tyrone.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces
Quote:
Originally Posted by spindrift
My family has put a number of Zs on different skis this year. One of the "kids" (6'2" and 205#) has been banging around on Sir Francis Bacons with Z12s w/ fat brake kit. Been running them at DIN 9.5. Some natural jumps, a little park, general free skiing... A few days ago he hit some cutup mank at speed and blew out. Guess what? When all was said and done, one of the notches in the heel track that holds the metal brake tab(s) had torn apart. And on closer inspection, part of the track near the middle had cracked/torn. Currently waiting on the replacement track...
I just had the same sh!t happen basically this weekend on a pair of Z12's...

I am here to say that the Z12 is piece of sh!t if you are an aggressive skier (i.e. hucking, skiing fast through rock gardens, and putting yourself into situations where if your bindings fail you, you'll get hurt).

i was in a pinch, needed skis in a hurry, these were the only bindings I could get on short notice. I new I'd be skiing them in a big-mountain competition but figured, 'screw it, they'll be crazy light, and I'll just crank 'em to 12 and I should be fine."

So that's what I did, and I basically destroyed them in 3 days of skiing. Literally 3 days. I don't know when the heck i cracked the heel pieces (the base plate dealio around the mounting screws), but I was skiing about Mach 10 down a wide open groomer warming up for Saturday's KW Comp Finals, when in the middle of a turn I literally felt both heels just 'let go' of my boots. It wasn't a typical release, but all of a sudden my heels were free and the tails washed right out.

after I collected my sh!t, I realized BOTH heelpieces were cracked and they were all torqued and twisted. i could still barely get into one binding (but not the other) so gingerly skied down on one ski.

thank GOD these didn't fail during my earlier inspection run, or during my actual comp run in the Cirque.

So F*** Z12's. they only lasted 3 hard charging ski days for me 175-180 lb frame. Nothing but 916's/920's or P18's/Rossi 185's from here on out for me.
Granted, Tyrone charges very hard. This thread is worth reading though:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=81205
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Fuzzy pic, but they are on some 07 Blizzard Mag SL's

"Quicklock", not "Speedlock"?
post #19 of 28
I have the speedlock system and vist bindings. Their performance is super.. The only issue is that they are a little heavy.. Not that the weight is a real problem for me..
post #20 of 28
Phil: asyou say picture is fuzzy so difficult to tell what we are seeing, but it appears you may be correct and possibly Vist made OEM speedlocks for other manufacturers. Assume there are levers somewhere on both the front and rear plate that when moved allows the bindings to easily disconnect from the plate?
post #21 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by race510 View Post
Phil: asyou say picture is fuzzy so difficult to tell what we are seeing, but it appears you may be correct and possibly Vist made OEM speedlocks for other manufacturers. Assume there are levers somewhere on both the front and rear plate that when moved allows the bindings to easily disconnect from the plate?
Yes, there are. Bindings come on and off in a snap. I will get better pics on my next trip to Vermont.
post #22 of 28

Apologies

Well Phil I owe you an apology, clearly I was wrong. No pictures are necessary. VIST has never listed any Speedlock plates in their catalogue that weren't for their bindings only. I'll contact them and see if others are available.

Lou
post #23 of 28
I'm a VIST dealer in the UK & have enquired about this & have been told they (VIST) now only offer Speedlock plates for their bindings only.

Philpug, the front edge of your Speedlock plate on your Blizzard's look like the front edge of the current Speedlock Pro range of plates, however it also looks like a two piece set-up, without the metal bridge connecting the front & rear plates(?), unlike the current one piece design.

Here's the current range of Speedlock plates.
post #24 of 28
Thread Starter 
Here are pics of the plates with Marker 14.0's





post #25 of 28
So Phil,
I assume that the Marker bindings screw into the metal plate that sits between the plate and the binding and then a separate set of screws mounts that plate onto the actual race plate in order to maintain the original hole pattern that VIST plates have?

BTW, I still love those skis...

Later

GREG
post #26 of 28
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
So Phil,
I assume that the Marker bindings screw into the metal plate that sits between the plate and the binding and then a separate set of screws mounts that plate onto the actual race plate in order to maintain the original hole pattern that VIST plates have?

BTW, I still love those skis...

Later

GREG
Yeah, with the heel turned over you can see the screw pattern on the bottom.
post #27 of 28
The Vist-Marker combination was (is?) a special adaptation for some brands (I know of Blizzard) to be able to use Speedlock for demo purposes. It has never been in the catalog. As far as I can remember there was a special plate attached to the Marker to accommodate the Speedlock pins because the binding´s holes don´t correspond to the Vist pattern in the Speedlock plate.
post #28 of 28
Phil:
from reading others comments it appears you may be using an intermediate plate that VIST originally designed for Tele but could be used to mount any binding. It has since been redesigned so that it will only work with tele bindings.

Regarding other questions about Speedlock there are of course three plates and you can choose between them for different skis. Don't understand comments about brakes as they will simply move with heels, unless you are talking about width issue.

Lou
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