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Stowe 11 April 2007 - Goat pictures

post #1 of 29
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Some Goat pictures:
I wrote a trip report that disappeared when I got logged out (thought it would be short so I didn't write it offline, but it grew.) Oh well....


There was one set of tracks at the top.

Here is that ice someone asked about in KevinF's thread. Wouldn't be the East without ice, would it...


The view up and down from there. Notice there are no tracks below me -- did the first skier go into the woods? I didn't notice where the tracks stopped.



The rest of the top-half


And the bottom half to the big turn.


I skied Goat a couple more times throughout the morning and never saw anyone. After lunch I finally saw two other groups on Goat -- this woman, who was good and fast, and a group of 2 or three that were struggling (not pictured).



I skied a lot of other fun stuff, but thats subject matter for another post.
post #2 of 29
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By the way, this is a good time for impulsive travel. I decided on Stowe Tues afternoon when I saw the top part of Star and Goat had reopened. Originally had planned to go to Sugarloaf or Sunday River on Tuesday, but didn't.

Rented an overnight room at Inn at the Mountain ($79+tax), lift ticket (~$53 IIRC), $11 sandwich for lunch, ~$50 gas roundtrip. Well, it adds up when you put it all out like that, but the pieces are all reasonable. At least I brought my own breakfast and the coffee to go with it was free.

It was KevinF's TR that got me thinking about Stowe and checking conditions on the web. It had been 15 years since I'd been there. Unlike MRG (also 15 years) which looked exactly the same, I did not recognize much at Stowe. The entrance to Star and the big turn on lower Goat looked familiar -- not much else. Oh yeah, and the annoying climb from the parking lot/base lodge to the bottom of the lift - I remembered that.

Bottom line - Stowe was great. I'll have to go more often. Now that I've (mostly) given up on one-day round trips, the extra hour drive is more manageable.
post #3 of 29
Damn! that sucker is narrow. It was closed when I was there and I doubt I would hit it.....then again. I found the upper runs at Smuggs to be even nuttier looking. N. VT. has some pretty steep stuff.
post #4 of 29
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Damn! that sucker is narrow. It was closed when I was there and I doubt I would hit it.....then again.
Actually, I thought it would be narrower.
post #5 of 29
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I remembered it being narrower too, but that may be the exaggeration of memory.

The effective width is a little narrower, cause you want to stay in the left 1/2 of the trail -- the right half doesn't have very good coverage on the steeper part.
post #6 of 29
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Actually, I thought it would be narrower.
The bottom third (once you cross Midway trail) starts getting a little narrow again. There are (or at least were) some big rocks sticking up. You're not sure if you're going over a bump or a boulder in places!

But yeah, over-all, there is a little more navigation room in there then I thought there would be. But I didn't see the top third. The only part of the top-third that you can see from the Liftline entrance is pretty steep. I imagine it's plenty "narrow enough" up there!
post #7 of 29
to be clear - this is before the latest 11-15 yesterday? ... looks pretty good actually (other than the yellow/blue ice patch

Yup it's steep, narrow and gets twisty at the bottom. What!? I said turn em if you got em
post #8 of 29
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to be clear - this is before the latest 11-15 yesterday? ... looks pretty good actually (other than the yellow/blue ice patch

Yup it's steep, narrow and gets twisty at the bottom. What!? I said turn em if you got em
Exactly -- wednesday, day before yesterday.
Yeah, there was plenty of snow on the left half. There was only the one ice patch on Goat.

Everything was in pretty good shape, except National.
Even it was still skiable, but you couldn't really open it up on the initial steep part. The freaky thing was, you could see the rocks from the side as you approached along the feeder, but couldn't see them from above from the entrance.

There were a few rocks on Starr, but very easily avoidable.

It sounds like Thursdays precip was all snow? I went for the bluebird day cause the forecast was originally for Rain/snow mix on Thurs - by Wed am it had upgraded to Sleet/snow, not sure what finally happened.
post #9 of 29
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not sure what finally happened.
All snow.
post #10 of 29
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All snow.
Well, so I didn't hit the bullseye. Still a great day on a great hill.
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by mdf View Post


There was one set of tracks at the top.

Here is that ice someone asked about in KevinF's thread. Wouldn't be the East without ice, would it...
I haven't ski Goat in 18 yrs. This pic took right back.

nice report.
post #12 of 29
Back in the day, the Goat was only 2 ski lengths wide. Of course, back then ski lengths were in the 210cm range . It sure looks a lot wider given the slalom carver perspective that I've developed.
post #13 of 29
man does that look tasty
post #14 of 29
yeah Stowe (and Goat trail) was awesome last March when I was there. Can't wait to ski again this year ....
post #15 of 29
It kicked my butt 25 years ago, and would so so again today. Tough double fal line, I remember the top seeming narrower too. If you can ski the tough stuff at Stowe and MRG you're the real deal IMHO. Enjoyed the pictures.
post #16 of 29
the picture dont do goat justice the one does look really steep but what missing ishte double fall line and alot of little stuff poking though the snow.
post #17 of 29
Thanks for the photos. I haven't skied Goat since 1964 when I was in prep school there.
post #18 of 29
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I wonder if it was the same trail. There is a New England ski history web site I remember looking at that had some old maps (going way back to when Perrry Merril was a person rather than a ski trail). If I recall correctly, there was some discussion of "Goat" vs "old Goat" and trails being rearranged.
post #19 of 29
yeah the thing about those bumps sticking out is that on the backside you realize they are boulders. Kinda puts a cramp in my "ski the backs of the moguls" technique!
post #20 of 29
I'm notsure that there is an "old Goat", but if Goat doesn't seem steep or narrow enough, you need to find "Growler" or "Pipeline II".
post #21 of 29
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Ok, now I'm going to have to look for that website and hope it still exists. I'm vaguely remembering that some trails were moved a long time ago - 50's maybe? How long has Stowe been in business?
post #22 of 29
http://list.uvm.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=in...&F=&S=&P=21147

It doesn't say when Goat moved though.
post #23 of 29
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Just curious about ancient history...

Ok, here is what I'm remembering.

From http://www.uvm.edu/skivt-l

In a post at http://list.uvm.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=in...KIVT-L&P=R9711

"Old Goat is called Pipeline 2 by just about everyone at Stowe. I started calling it Old Goat when I saw the 1943 map."

Does Pipeline 2 cut off through the woods from the top of Goat? If so, that may be where the disappearing tracks I mentioned in my original post went.

This may be the map he is talking about.
post #24 of 29
Well... it's on the Internet, so it must be true. Seriously though, I find it hard to believe that Pipeline 2 used to be Goat. If it was... WOW! I can't imagine skiin that on 7' hickory skis with leather boots and cable bindings.
post #25 of 29
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Ah Worker - you are quicker than me... same reference.
post #26 of 29
Cool old map. I'd say that based onthat, "Old Goat" would have started on Pipeline 2, but then hooked left before it gets redonculous and heading over toward "The Grill". That map shows it coming out very high on Nosedive. Probably about where Pipeline 1 comes out. It would be fun to poke around in there and try to find more of it.
post #27 of 29
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The view up and down from there. Notice there are no tracks below me -- did the first skier go into the woods? I didn't notice where the tracks stopped.

 

 

My daughters and I skied Goat last year (2011), second week of Feb.  Stowe had about 8" when we got there and never stopped snowing.  I'm guessing they got about 8-12" depending on where you were.  We hit Goat 4 times.  With the new snow, it was fantastic!  Lots of puffies off the top of the moguls made for lots of fun.  There was so much snow was in the trees!  We ventured in to take a look and had a blast.  Just as mdf noted, no one else was skiing Goat.  Very strange with such great conditions.  Too bad for the others. biggrin.gif

 

 

 

 

post #28 of 29
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My daughters and I skied Goat last year (2011), second week of Feb.  Stowe had about 8" when we got there and never stopped snowing.  I'm guessing they got about 8-12" depending on where you were.  We hit Goat 4 times.  With the new snow, it was fantastic!  Lots of puffies off the top of the moguls made for lots of fun.  There was so much snow was in the trees!  We ventured in to take a look and had a blast.  Just as mdf noted, no one else was skiing Goat.  Very strange with such great conditions.  Too bad for the others. biggrin.gif

 

 

 

 




its because there is better skiing in the woods.

 

Even on days with lots of fresh snow its pretty hard to erase the hard bumps that are on the front four and thin coverage. The trees when there is base tend to be softer.

 

With that said sometime the trails can actually be the secert stash due to everyone hitting the trees, Ironic isnt it?

post #29 of 29

"Wouldn't be the East without ice, would it"

 

Its been a LONG time since I last skied Killington (I had hair), but… There's one tail that you need to get back to the base from the southern side, probably Skylark or High Road. Anyway, the last time I went it was closed when we got there, and so you had to go all over the hill to get back. Then one day we see that it's open, so of course we plan our last runs so we can take it home. And now it's 4:30 and the lifts are closing...

 

So here's the thing. You see that ice in the picture above? How it's coloured and translucent? This ice wasn't. It was perfectly clear and colourless. So clear, you could see the stones and grass under it. Perfectly. Like the photograph on the Apple TV screen saver. On top was about 1 mm of snow, dusted and pushed off to the sides. We survived only by skiing directly at the other side of the hill, scraping sideways all the time. Turning on the piste not possible, you simply waited it out until you reached the crud everyone else stacked up. I have no idea why they imagined they could open it, it was a deathtrap.

 

So now when I see that yellow stuff, I'm perfectly happy. Thank you Killington!

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