New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

groomer ski comparison

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
looking for thoughts from epic skiers re best all-mtn ski for 90/10 skier in tahoe ..
skier....male, level 8, 155#, 5'8", aggressive, older so mainly med/long fast turns and soft bumps only, 304mm boot, strong legs..former world class cyclist.....
skis i am looking at are:
fischer rx8, 170c, head supershape, 170c, nordica sm mach3 (carbon), 170c, fischer rc4 racesc, 168c....i'm hoping to keep waist <74mm....
these are all nearly impossible to demo, so i'll be content to make a decision from your knowledgeable comments....or even your other suggested choices....
i've already wore out 2 sets of eyeballs on forum threads.....

thanks......nfp158
post #2 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by nfp158 View Post
...mainly med/long fast turns and soft bumps only, 304mm boot, strong legs..former world class cyclist...
thanks......nfp158
Lot of good skis out there. In the Fischer line there's the RX-9 17m@170cm and the Fischer RC4 WC RC 16m@ 175cm. The RX-8 is also a great ski. The RX-9's strength is in longer turns. It has a light, smooth feeling with a lot of snap out of the turn. The RX-8 feel is very similar.
The RC4 WC RC, is a popular recreational racing ski, is a beefier ski than the RX-9 but you could find it less versatile in soft bump conditions. Each of the Fischer skis models mentioned have received excellent reviews in the ski magazines as well as here.

Half the fun is in the hunt. Good luck.
post #3 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by nfp158 View Post
looking for thoughts from epic skiers re best all-mtn ski for 90/10 skier in tahoe ..
skier....male, level 8, 155#, 5'8", aggressive, older so mainly med/long fast turns and soft bumps only, 304mm boot, strong legs..former world class cyclist.....
skis i am looking at are:
fischer rx8, 170c, head supershape, 170c, nordica sm mach3 (carbon), 170c, fischer rc4 racesc, 168c....i'm hoping to keep waist <74mm....
these are all nearly impossible to demo, so i'll be content to make a decision from your knowledgeable comments....or even your other suggested choices....
i've already wore out 2 sets of eyeballs on forum threads.....

thanks......nfp158
nfp158, hello, and welcome. Do you also live in the area? The wife and I live in the no bay and ski Tahoe area mostly. Just curious as to why you are limited to a waist of 74 or less? I know that we havent had many good fresh snow days this year but when we do and the runs are un groomed....? I have used the Metron 9 for the past couple of years at 74mm I believe in a 164cm. It is a nice groomer and does pretty good when the snow is ungroomed., Anyway hope you find what you are looking for and maybe we will see you on the slpoes.

Mark
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 

groomer skin for tahoe

hi mark,

i live in the east bay....orinda

i do have an 84mm waisted atomic m:ex for soft snow and crud, but i find myself skiing mostly on harder groomed runs

thanks for your reply.......neil
post #5 of 20
I'll second the RX9 vs RX8 for Tahoe. Much better in spring conditions. Don't let the short turn/long turn talk confuse you. I have a pair of RX9s and they'll make any size turn you want. Great edge hold as well.

Steve
post #6 of 20
Skis I like are the Supershape, Fischer Progressor, RX8 (a little more forgiving than some of the others), Nordica Mach 3, Head Supershape Speed or Magnum (if you are a fast, aggressive skier), Elan Speedwave 14 (a powerhouse carver). The new crop of carvy midfats may also work for you (Head iM78, Tigershark 10 or 12, Atomic Blackeye) as they seem to be more versatile than a 70mm ski (better float and not as edgy in softer snow) but nearly as good on hardpack. I know that since I have been skiing the iM78, the narrower skis haven't had a reason to come out of the bag. That will probably change when the Spring conditions (morning boilerplate) hits, but with any soft snow present, the iM78 is a better all-mountain tool for me than the narrower skis. The midfat skis used to feel a bit bulky compared to the narrower race-oriented skis on the market, but that gap has narrowed considerably.
post #7 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
Skis I like are the Supershape, Fischer Progressor, RX8 (a little more forgiving than some of the others), Nordica Mach 3, Head Supershape Speed or Magnum (if you are a fast, aggressive skier), Elan Speedwave 14 (a powerhouse carver). The new crop of carvy midfats may also work for you (Head iM78, Tigershark 10 or 12, Atomic Blackeye) as they seem to be more versatile than a 70mm ski (better float and not as edgy in softer snow) but nearly as good on hardpack. I know that since I have been skiing the iM78, the narrower skis haven't had a reason to come out of the bag. That will probably change when the Spring conditions (morning boilerplate) hits, but with any soft snow present, the iM78 is a better all-mountain tool for me than the narrower skis. The midfat skis used to feel a bit bulky compared to the narrower race-oriented skis on the market, but that gap has narrowed considerably.
In addition to the excellent choices listed above, I might also add the Dynastar Contact 11, the Elan Speedwave 12 [not quite as demanding as the 14] and the Volkl Allstar. As an aside, I prefer the '05-'06 version of the Allstar over the '06-'07 version.
post #8 of 20
Hey Nfp...

My age stats and ability are similar to yours. For mid to long range turns skiing on primarily groomed terrain my volkl allstars are tops for me. Soft bumps ok and np in up to say 6" of pow. Short turns require some input from pilot but medium to long just roll the ankles and poof new arc started. Great edge hold but do not like to run fast unless they are up on edge. You may have heard that they are unforgiving and physically demanding, but I have had no issue with this. Good luck, the perfect ski or perfect woman, omg, will it never end
post #9 of 20
All the skis that you mention are very very good on hard snow. I will however, second (or third) the suggestion for the Fischer RX-9. This ski has a classic GS feel and has superb grip. It is however, not terribly stiff so it works well in soft bumps as well. Among groomer zoomers, I think it is one of the most versatile available.

Time is winding down quickly, but if you need to demo, I have the RX in a 175 and the Speedmachine Mach 3 in a 170.

SJ
post #10 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robscapes View Post
In addition to the excellent choices listed above, I might also add the Dynastar Contact 11, the Elan Speedwave 12 [not quite as demanding as the 14] and the Volkl Allstar. As an aside, I prefer the '05-'06 version of the Allstar over the '06-'07 version.

Is this allstar year difference reflected in the color? I have seen some that are more black print on white and others that are black with stars on them.
post #11 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor D View Post
Is this allstar year difference reflected in the color? I have seen some that are more black print on white and others that are black with stars on them.
'05-'06 Allstar-black with red stars
'06-'07 Allstar-white with black lettering
post #12 of 20
Thank you so much for the fast reply!
post #13 of 20
Having owned several pairs of Fischers and being about your size and ability, I find that the comments about the Fischers are spot on. The RX8 and the Race SC are very similar short turn skis with nearly identical dimensions. I have not skied the Race SC, but I have heard from those who have that it is a little more stable at speed. If you are looking for more performance in a short turn ski, the World Cup SC is a good choice with more racelike construction. I fourth(?) the suggestion of the RX9 over the RX8. Having owned both, I would give the nod to the RX9 and given your size, I would suggest the RX9 in 170 (the RX8 in 165). I found it to be more stable at high speeds than the RX8, and, as mentioned, the RX9 can make any size turn. Again, the World Cup RC gives you more performance, but at the expense of some versatility.
With all of that said about Fischers, I now ski the Stockli Laser Cross (not Laser Cross Pro). I found it to be easier turning at slower speeds and just as stable at higher speeds as the RX9 and WC RC. It makes any size turns and is surprisingly easy to ski. It's also a bit wider at 72mm and seems to handle the late day crud better. I'm not trying to confuse you, I'm just adding another option.
post #14 of 20
What size Laser Cross did you ski? What bindings were mounted? Thanks.
post #15 of 20
I will also give multiple props to the Stockli Laser Cross(not the "Pro" but the Yellow ones). I have them in a 167(5'9" 170#) and this ski is lightning quick for a ski with the dimensions 166-72-101. It is wide enough for the crud but still retains a slalom like feel to it. Long radius, short radius turns, it does not matter. As a former owner of Volkl 5 Stars, this ski is hands down better in all conditions. This ski will remain unchanged next year except I think it will be gray. Demo it!
post #16 of 20
Sierra cement, even at 10% of your time, will give Fischers fits. I'd go with a Supershape if you're agressive and like to be turning all the time, the Nordica Mach 3 if you're a bit more relaxed and plan to spend maybe 20% time off groomed, and think about a Contact 11 or the new Head iM78 if you want more all mountain versatility, like bumps and chop as much as you like packed.
post #17 of 20

Laser Cross

Quote:
Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
I will also give multiple props to the Stockli Laser Cross(not the "Pro" but the Yellow ones). I have them in a 167(5'9" 170#) and this ski is lightning quick for a ski with the dimensions 166-72-101. It is wide enough for the crud but still retains a slalom like feel to it. Long radius, short radius turns, it does not matter. As a former owner of Volkl 5 Stars, this ski is hands down better in all conditions. This ski will remain unchanged next year except I think it will be gray. Demo it!
Do you have photo of 2008 version?
post #18 of 20
Which bindings are you using on your Laser Cross?
post #19 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluewaterpro View Post
Do you have photo of 2008 version?
I don't but if you go to Stockli.com and click on: 1. ski 2. All mountain 3. Cross

-you will see the yellow and gray skis. For '07 Stockli offered both colors. For '08, I believe just the gray is being offered.

Another ski to consider would be the Stockli Rotor. That ski is a little fatter in the waist and significantly wider in the tip and tail. It would be more versatile in deeper snow. It's dimensions are 124-76-109.
post #20 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluewaterpro View Post
Which bindings are you using on your Laser Cross?
I've got the Marker 1200 Piston. Not a great binding, not a bad binding, but I practically stole it.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Member Gear Reviews