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I like my 185 Pocket Rockets. What else do I like?

post #1 of 14
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I'm still deliberating over which wider ski to buy. I recently acquired a pair of scrapped 185 Pocket Rockets, which have actually turned out to be pretty great skis. I love how smooth and nimble they are, especially in trees and on rough terrain. Because of their relatively small radius, they're actually quite fun to turn on harder stuff, although the edges are screwed so they don't like ice. However, that being said, I would not call them great on groomed. I would not spend a day on groomed with my Pocket Rockets, and I would like to be able to with new skis.

As a racer, I'm convinced I should be looking at something like the Head Monster iM 88 and the like, something with a little more substance. But I'm wondering whether I would loose the smoothness. I'm assuming the stiffer fat skis are still designed for versatility and aren't quite a race GS board, which is like riding a shopping cart down a dirt road. Also, I'm wondering if the skis will engage into a carve in softer conditions because race skis only work on ice.

So what will give me the nimbleness and smoothness of my Pocket Rockets while offerring a bit more oomph? Is the Head 88 a good choice? What else should I look at? I've heard good things about the Dynastar Big Trouble, and next season's retro graphics make them an attractive option.
post #2 of 14
Try the Volkl Bridge. FWIW - I too acquired a pair of PR's and love them raggedy edges, delammed tails and all.The thins are great and when they do finally give up the ghost, they will be missed.
post #3 of 14
Well, you could get a new pair of the ten-eighty guns! Sierra Jim has 'em for $400. Just took mine over to Targhee and had a great time.
post #4 of 14
Take a look at the atomic snoop daddy. 125-88-111 with a 20.5 radius in a 174. Not sure off the top of my head what the stats are for the 184. A nice versatile ski combining float, nimbleness, and carvablity on the groomers.
post #5 of 14
Definitely the Big Trouble. It was designed as a rival to the PR and was aimed at the crowd who thought the PR was too soft. I'm in the same boat as you- used to burly race skis and was initially skeptical of softer skis when the PR first became popular. On the BTs, a fairly stiff tip gives way to a softish middle and tail, which lends itself to better crud performance than the PR. Longer radius than the PR (23 @ 186 vs 21 @ 185), but you won't notice it anywhere besides groomers. Mine have proven to be pretty bombproof, as I've got a dozen days on them, including a few days of pretty spotty cover, without so much as a scratch. Mount them 2cm back if you don't plan on landing switch. Unfortunately, the retro graphics next year are going to be very limited production.
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by D(C) View Post

So what will give me the nimbleness and smoothness of my Pocket Rockets while offerring a bit more oomph?
185 Armada ARVs. They ski like a stiffer, WAY damper version of the PRs. Still plenty light and playful. A good bit stiffer than the PRs, but by no means a very stiff ski.

I almost feel like this is cheapening the recomendation, but I have a pair for sale. Mounted once with rossi 12 din demo bindings. Barely skied. Maybe 20 days at the most. $300.

Check this thread for pics. http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=81718

Like I said, I feel like that cheapens the recomendation, but even if I didn't have a pair for sale, I'd still recomend these. Even if you don't buy mine, you should definitly consider getting a pair.
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
185 Armada ARVs. They ski like a stiffer, WAY damper version of the PRs. Still plenty light and playful. A good bit stiffer than the PRs, but by no means a very stiff ski.

I almost feel like this is cheapening the recomendation, but I have a pair for sale. Mounted once with rossi 12 din demo bindings. Barely skied. Maybe 20 days at the most. $300.

Check this thread for pics. http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=81718

Like I said, I feel like that cheapens the recomendation, but even if I didn't have a pair for sale, I'd still recomend these. Even if you don't buy mine, you should definitly consider getting a pair.

Hmm... I'll take the shotgun... no... That's alright actually lol...

Thanks for the offer but I work in a shop = employee discount.



A question - do my PRs have metal in them?
post #8 of 14
No metal in PRs, BTs, Seths, etc. Probably the closest skis to these that have metal would be the Mantra and Nordica Enforcer.
post #9 of 14
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No metal in PRs, BTs, Seths, etc. Probably the closest skis to these that have metal would be the Mantra and Nordica Enforcer.
I thought PR's had a piece of molded metal in them and that is what Salomon calls the "Space Frame". However, at Salomon's website I just clicked on Space Frame and it says, "The right amount of the right material in the right place". There is sooo much bullshit in sports gear! Are they trying to appeal to our feminine side? Even my feminine side hates that sort of useless marketing BS.

dt
post #10 of 14
Spaceframe refers to the thinning of core material (to save weight) at the center of the tips and tails while leaving it the same thickness over the edges (to increase grip and give the ski at least some backbone).
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
Hmm... I'll take the shotgun... no... That's alright actually lol...

Thanks for the offer but I work in a shop = employee discount.



A question - do my PRs have metal in them?

No worries. Look into them though, because they are an awesome ski. Very versatile.
post #12 of 14
If you like the Pocket Rockets and want something similar, check out the Nordica Beast:

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81650
post #13 of 14
The reason that the PR and its replacements have been the best selling wide(ish) skis of all time is that they are super easy and user friendly. They are of course somewhat lacking on harder snow. Some will accept this happily and some will want a little more juice.

I have sold a boatload of BT's to folks wanting an agressiveness upgrade from the PR and they have all been SUPER happy with them. IMO the '08 Volkl Bridge will be as good as the BT in this regard although it does have more shape than I typically prefer for this type of ski. As mentioned, the current 1080 Gun (PR's successor) is also a nice upgrade over the PR. It falls between the PR and the BT on the 'Gnar' scale.

If you are wanting a "little" more power than the PR then possibly the iM 88 might be more ski than you really want. I appreciate Heads very much but the iM 88 is simply more ski that I personally care for unless chosen in a fairly short size..............YMMV

SJ
post #14 of 14
I've skied PR 185s for the last few years for soft snow and Elan M666s for most of the rest of the conditions I run into.

I just demoed a pair of Fisher Atuas in extremely wet, gloppy, heavy, peanut butter. They were a blast. They remind me of the PRs in that they turn on a dime and are easy to control. They remind me of the Elans because they are not deflected and keep a line through the most trying crud. Try them out, I think you'll like them. I'm going to buy a pair.
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