I commend Max and BTS for really trying to educate and answer the questions here. BigE also is so helpful in crystallizing the differences in the systems.
What becomes apparent is that those who are so stubborn and continue to fight this tooth and nail are either ill informed, have an axe to grind, a political agenda or all three. Essentials is an easy to follow book. Max has posted video of himself and HH. There can be no reason for the continuing chorus of no's and it's not steep enough, it's not cruddy enough etc etc. The same discussion repeats endlessly.
But then there are the Bode's. Bode you really are clueless. You have absolutely know concept what PMTS is about and your entire contribution is to regurgitate distortions and half truths of bits and pieces you have obviously read on this forum. But what's really troubling is your complete lack of understanding not only of skiing mechanics but of the history.
Originally Posted by Bode Klammer
Are you talking about skiing or teaching here? PMTS teaching is really just the old Austrian "perform each task perfectly before you move on to the next one" method. Only the most motivated beginners will stick around for that, at least in the US. But if you believe that PMTS has taught you some secret way of working a ski that the rest of the world has not figured out, you really have drunk the Koolaid.
Skiing is not an easy sport to learn. In fact the attempt by ski areas and manufacturers to sell it as easy to learn is a major factor in the decline of ski teaching in the US. The command style of ski teaching has also proven very effective and the Austrians and their complete dominance of WC skiing is proof of that. But proof can also be found in the ski schools of old in America. Full ski weeks were the norm and intermediate and advanced skiers actualy took lessons. However, PMTS does not require you to perfect an exercise before you move on. This is just another distortion.
As for beginners sticking around. Guess what they are not sticking around! Don't you read your organizations materials? What's been going on the last few years in TTS is not working. Why do you think that kids have deserted skiing for snowboarding? Because the learning progression in TTS is too slow, and not properly focused.
Originally Posted by Bode Klammer
But it's about skills, not just movements. If I teach you edging skills, and independently teach rotary skills, you can use those 2 skills in any combination. There is an infinite number of movements that can result from blending those skills, there's not enough time left in my life to teach you an infinite number of movements.
For one thing, what is in that that I don't know? I've never even heard a rumor of a PMTS drill that I haven't already learned from PSIA Ed Staff, so why would I buy a book from a competitor who disparages an organization that has trained me into a pretty good career?
It's not the drills. It's the focus of the drills. Big E pointed that out so elegantly to you. As for the infinite movements that you get from teaching your students to blend 2 skills (edging adn rotary), I completely agree. You get n infinite variety fo skidded windshield wiper turns. I see it every day.
I have to say thanks to this forum because without it I would not have heard of HH and Essentials. Despite my CSIA and PSIA affiliations this book had a real impact on how I look at my own skiing and how I communicate with others about skiing. Thanks again to BTS, Max and Big E for helping to clarify a lot about PMTS and skiing in general.