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What I'd change about the Olympics if I could

post #1 of 47
Thread Starter 
I HATE events without objective results. That is, if it can't be timed and involves someone's OPINION, then I don't want it in the Olympics. Too much chance for corruption and politics.

So, I'd throw out the likes of: moguls, snowboarding half pipe, figure skating, and a bunch of others I can't think of.

Bob
post #2 of 47
You have the same issue with the summer games then - Gymnastics, etc... I agree that politics play too much of a role in these sports, but I'd hate to see them removed from the games. The only hope is that the judges are either impartial, or fairly divided amongst political lines that any weight they might give a specific athlete is nullified.
post #3 of 47
oooh black and white, eh? No room for gray in your world?

I compete in a sport that is subjective. I could move into another aspect of it that is based on time not style but I enjoy the style aspect of it. I like the challenge of it and find for the most part that it all evens out in the end.

I would not want to see events disappear from the Olympics simply because we cannot find a way to objectify them. Sometimes life is more than black and white and corruption will exist no matter what we do.
post #4 of 47
I chuck out figure skating because its lame, and it takes TV time away from skiing.

But bumps and arials as well as many others are here to stay. A good judge should leave his/her political views aside and judge the contest. If not always the case, then the judges should be monitored and removed if they are not being honest to the sport. Does this happen? I don't know. But I enjoy watching moguls and other judged sports.

With that said, Mosley will probably not win the Gold in bumps if he throws his "Dinner Roll", the judges don't really like it, but its more complex than a helicopter.
post #5 of 47
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AltaSkier:
I chuck out figure skating because its lame, and it takes TV time away from skiing.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmmmm. I'm not a huge fan of figure skating but many ppl are and I'm sure they would rather dispense with some of the skiing events so they could watch their sport unfettered. It's a fine line of give and take.
post #6 of 47
i don't always mind watching figure skating... that canadian figure skater (whatsername?) was HOT...
post #7 of 47
Snack, I agree completly, and I hope for the games sake, they never get rid of skating in the Olympics, it draws the crowds, and the money to the sports. Advertising dollars are what make it possible for me to watch the Olympics on TV, and figure skating is a big contributor to my happiness there. I just choose to watch something else, like the grass grow in my back yard in the winter.

I remember when growing up my step-mother (not evil, very nice actually) would insist on watching figure skating, and I hated it. As I grow up, I can appreciate the art and demanding physical challenges that the athletes go through. I still don't enjoy watching it though. I'd just like to see better/more coverage of the Alpine Events.

If possible, I'd change the bribe scandals, the unclear drug restrictions, the athletes using drugs in question, the "need" for camo dressed heavily armed troops on every street corner, the F-16's flying over my city, the anti-aircraft missles mounted on the side of the mountain a few miles from my house, the cops looking for bombs under cars in my office parking lot today, the wait, I'm goint to shut up.

My $3.50

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 11, 2002 11:13 AM: Message edited 1 time, by AltaSkier ]</font>
post #8 of 47
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Auxcrinier:
i don't always mind watching figure skating... that canadian figure skater (whatsername?) was HOT...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Was that the one with the fake thong on? Whats with that? Hey lawyers, can she be sued for false advertising?
post #9 of 47
Actually the trend goes the other way...

Ski Jumping used to be how far you fly ONLY, then they decided to introduce "style points" : :

I hope the won't do the same to the ski racing : :

As far as "finger painting" goes... if that "sport" belongs in winter olympics then ballet should be part of summer olympics....

VK

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 11, 2002 11:22 AM: Message edited 1 time, by VK ]</font>
post #10 of 47
Thread Starter 
Don't miss my point, I'm not saying they are bad sports, I like moguls and gymnastics, and the like. I'm only saying that subjective judging doesn't deserve to be in the Olympics.

How many times will we hear "oh, and she/he/they didn't impress the Russian/American/etc judge.

Keep the Olympics objective and impartial.

Bob
post #11 of 47
Throw out snowboard halfpipe, it doesn't have the history and depth of an olympic sport.
post #12 of 47
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Auxcrinier:
i don't always mind watching figure skating... that canadian figure skater (whatsername?) was HOT...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL!!!

but you guys have Elvis and he's cool

post #13 of 47
Remember, in most "judged" events the Hi and the Low scores are thrown out. Keeps it a bit more even and fair...
post #14 of 47
I used to have issues with judged events like gymnastics, but I've learned to enjoy them. Ultimately what matters to me is that I see the athlete at work- not just athleticism, but their passion, their will to win, when they compete.

I see this passion in gymnastics, diving, figure skating (sports in which style is arguably as important at athleticism), and even curling (one of the most ridiculous pastimes I've ever witnessed). I do not see these qualities in things like rhythmic gymnastics, syncronized swiming, ballroom dancing (a proposed olympic event), or other events in which looking "cute" is the principal goal
post #15 of 47
Throw out the snowboard halfpipe??? Why?

I love the event... It is ten times more exiciting then many of the other winter olympic events (I mean, really, who watches a 15k cross country ski race?). The women throwing 7's and McTwist's was pretty impressive. Besides, just because an event has history behind it doesn't make it a good one.
post #16 of 47
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Llama:
Besides, just because an event has history behind it doesn't make it a good one.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey...didn't the Greeks compete in the nude? That's a historical aspect of the games......maybe it's time to revive that.


post #17 of 47
Can you imagine going down (falling) while naked in the DH? Ouch! :
post #18 of 47
I'd watch an entire nordic event, 15k and 30k frm start to finish. OLN broadcasts WC events that way and they are good to watch.

I found the half-pipe, with the same air being tossed on each run by each boarder pretty dull. Save that for the X-Games.
post #19 of 47
You would watch an entire 20k but find the half pipe dull.... riiiiight. :
post #20 of 47
Speaking of halfpipe..the results for the men are up on espn.com - I won't ruin it for anyone who doesn't want to know...
post #21 of 47
Speaking of half-pipe, I do have some observations:

I did find it a little boring and extremely subjective to score, but here is my list of "issues":

1. Why are these athletes allowed to board without a helmet when doing inverts and huge jumps?
2. Why do they wear such loose clothing and even large hoods? This does nothing for preserving speed. Being cool and in style is fine, but these are the Olympics after all. Shouldn't function rule over style?
3. Why do they take the higher score of the 2 runs? The scores should be added or averaged (like in SL or luge). Taking the higher of the 2 scores promotes luck over consistency.
4. Why is there only one judge for each category (amplitude, difficulty, style). Shouldn't they have at least 3 judges for each category in order to have the opportunity to drop high/low scores?
5. And last but not least (drum roll please): why do the boarders need loud music to do their runs? Isn't a cheering crowd good enough?

At least snowboarding is popular enough to be in the Olympics. Why on earth is curling there? Curling is not very popular and it is not a sport (it is only a ridiculous game that requires minimal physical ability). Perhaps they can add tubing to the Olympics. :
post #22 of 47
Llama,

Yup. It's true. I guess I can relate more to cross-country skiing. Oh well.

I'll watch the half-pipe though.
post #23 of 47
Like I should talk anyways.. being an ex-sprinter I watch all kinds of stupid track and field on tv.

post #24 of 47
Curling is not popular? What? I find it more interesting than say …golf…. (Oh, I shouldn’t troll like that ) WWF wrestling is extremely popular in the U.S. but I prefer to see Greco-Roman wrestling in the summer games.

I’d wager that 95 percent of the U.S. viewing public think that Downhill, Super G, Giant Slalom and Slalom are overkill on the ski racing, especially since you also have freestyle and moguls….

Hey I’ll take just about any winter sport, just give me some decent coverage and cut back on the fluff.
post #25 of 47
Hey Tanglefoot, I don't think WWF qualifies as a sport. I hear there'll be oscar nominations this year for the best wrestler.

(also the TV coverage really annoys me. Why do they have to cut to the crowd all the time? If I wanted to watch people standing in crowds, I'd become a platform announcer at Kings Cross Station.)


S
post #26 of 47
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Llama:
I mean, really, who watches a 15k cross country ski race?. .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Me
post #27 of 47
I'll second, third, fourth, or whatever the notion that Olympic snowboarding is a weak event. I watched the women's halfpipe yesterday, and what impressed me was how completely dull it all was. I expected the world's top snowboarders to at least put on a good show, but it was all, shall we say, a bit underwhelming.

10 years ago, snowboarding was interesting because they were doing things that had just never been done before on the mountain. But now, I think the twin tips people are doing altogether more impressive and visually spectacular stunts.

The athleticism and skill level generally characteristic of a true Olympian just aren't there either. Compared to the history of intense training and the enormous talent that was evident in the cross country events earlier that day, and to varying degrees nearly every other event we've seen so far, snowboarding seems like child's play -- a bunch of "alterna-teens" screwing around on the slopes, at the Olympics only because they've screwed around more than their peers. Ok, so maybe that's a tad harsh, but if skateboarding isn't admitted as a summer sport (I cringe at the thought), then I see no reason why snowboarding should be an Olympic event either. Keep it at the X-Games, where people can mosh all they want and enjoy the performances, but let the true athletes, the ones who have been training relentlessly for the past four years, have the Olympics to themselves.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 11, 2002 04:44 PM: Message edited 1 time, by superplexity ]</font>
post #28 of 47
You have to be kidding me... the whole attitude on snowboarding at this site boarders on pathetic. Elite level snowboarding takes a great deal of athletic ability, training and dedication. To say cross country skiing takes more skill trivializes the enormous amount of effort it must take to get to where they have. Have you ever been in a halfpipe? It takes a lot more than just messing around to do a lot of what they do. What is it that bothers so many of you.. the fact they aren't rich preppy 20 somethings?
post #29 of 47
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Llama:
You have to be kidding me... the whole attitude on snowboarding at this site boarders on pathetic. Elite level snowboarding takes a great deal of athletic ability, training and dedication. To say cross country skiing takes more skill trivializes the enormous amount of effort it must take to get to where they have. Have you ever been in a halfpipe? It takes a lot more than just messing around to do a lot of what they do. What is it that bothers so many of you.. the fact they aren't rich preppy 20 somethings?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey - count me out of this. I watched the Women's halfpipe and thought it was great. I skied up to but not in that halfpipe - it was amazing!!!! I couldn't believe how easy those girls made it look when you know they were cookin' down that icy thing.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 11, 2002 05:41 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Sugar Snack ]</font>
post #30 of 47
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Llama:
You have to be kidding me... the whole attitude on snowboarding at this site boarders on pathetic. Elite level snowboarding takes a great deal of athletic ability, training and dedication. To say cross country skiing takes more skill trivializes the enormous amount of effort it must take to get to where they have. Have you ever been in a halfpipe? It takes a lot more than just messing around to do a lot of what they do. What is it that bothers so many of you.. the fact they aren't rich preppy 20 somethings?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

where did "rich preppy 20somethings" enter into your wildly bad understanding of (1) this website's forums, and (2) the difficulty of jibbing on a tongue depressor?

man you really are some kind of deluded fool! snowboarding does not take ANYWHERE NEAR the level of athleticism, skill, training, dedication, balance, coordination and determination required for slalom, giant slalom, super G and DH ski racing. you really must be kidding.

let's break it down to the most obvious example.

COMPARISON OF TIME DIFFERENCES, FIRST MOMENT ON SNOW TO INTERMEDIATE SKILL LEVEL **

ALPINE SKIER: average of 20-30 ski days

SNOWBOARDER: average of 2-3 hours

** source: PTCA, National Survey, The Efficiencies of Neuromuscular Transmission in Comparative Winter Activity; The Effects of Bad Rap-Metal on the Adolescent Brain; and The Gullibility of the Typical American Late Teenager-to-Early Adult Age Sector, by Sander Pietecks and Todd de Nieve, January 16, 2002.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 11, 2002 05:49 PM: Message edited 1 time, by gonzostrike ]</font>
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