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2006 Salomon Lab SL - is it worth it?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi med,
I have seen the picture before, and I agree, its a startling example of how one should carve a ski. Thanks for the other presents as well

Oh and since you guys encouraged me in this route, i'm asking your opinion on a pair of skis (apologies if this should be in the equipment thread) but i was bidding on a pair of 2006 salomon lab sl 155cm with bindings. The winner backed out, so the seller has offered them to me for $250 (plus shipping).

They been used for two seasons and have one significant scratch on the base.
Good deal?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEDW:IT

NOTE: This post was copied out of ski technique discussion thread.
post #2 of 15
It depends on the skier that used them and how mahy days they were used. They could be used up -- void of snap/rebound. IMO, the "gouge" is not a big deal.

To my eye, the closeup of the side edge looks suspect.

Does anyone else think that the previous owner could have been a bit overzealous removing the side-wall?
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
yeah that's my worry too. My experience with salomons is that they have a tendency to go flat relatively easily/quickly. Two full seasons could definitly do it, and while the scratch in it of itself I don't care about - its indictive of decidely non-race course/ groomer riding. Plus I'm a bit annoyed at the whole thing cause I was the only one bidding, until the last moment when the winner pushed my bid from 200 to my max bid of 250, won by like a dollar, and then bailed. Which just - conviennent that my last bid (now offered to me as a second chance) is my max bid. If this false winner hadn't shown up I would have won them at 200. grrrrr....
post #4 of 15
Sounds like somebody is scheming at ebay... using another account or having a friends push up the bid in order to get a higher end bid on the product, or somebody is just cruel. I'm not too sure either, although that huge scratch makes me kinda shift in another direction, because that might represent how the skis were treated in the past, and that there could be more problems with those skis than meets the eye.
post #5 of 15
sarahmskis, I'd give ditch that deal and give this one a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/Salomon-Equipe-1...QQcmdZViewItem

It's not a Lab ski, but it's assuredly new and is an Editor's Choice in both Ski Magazine and Ski Canada Magazine: http://travel.canoe.ca/SkiCanadaProd...04_v-1_opt.pdf

The auction is ending in ~23 hours and these skis have been going for $190-240 in this size on Ebay. I recommend bidding as late as possible, if I were you. I can tell you personally that it's a great SL ski, a cheater for light guys like me (I picked up two pairs due to 1) how much I liked them, and 2) Salomon's reputation for early degradation), and legal for gals like you.
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
DtEW that looks almost sort of perfect - i'll let you know tomorrow if i get them. I've always been leary of women skis, as just being a lower men's ski that marketing has got hold off. But if i can get them relatively cheap, it would be worth it. New skis! First time in a long whle btw i weigh 170 so i'm not exactly 'dainty' on my skis

The other pair I'm looking at are volkl
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...6844&rd=1&rd=1
i've never skied volkl but always just sort of felt we'd be a good fit.
but these are going to go for alot more than the salomon's you pointed out and don't have bindings.

Man, ski shopping would be so much fun if i had tons of money!
post #7 of 15
Plus you're going to have to drop over $100 for a Marker Piston plate in addition to the bindings in order to make the Volkls work as designed.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by sarahmskis View Post
DtEW that looks almost sort of perfect - i'll let you know tomorrow if i get them. I've always been leary of women skis, as just being a lower men's ski that marketing has got hold off. But if i can get them relatively cheap, it would be worth it. New skis! First time in a long whle btw i weigh 170 so i'm not exactly 'dainty' on my skis
These Equipe 10 SC's are men's non-FIS-legal slalom skis just one step down from the SL Lab, circa 2005. They're definitely heads-and-heels above the Streetracer line, as the Equipes had two sheets of titanium (one thin one for the entire ski, and a thicker one in the center) and a wood+foam core.

At ~157lbs, I found the 155cm perfect in terms of response. The 160cm might work better for you, but you will definitely have to pay more, as this auction starts (and will probably end) at $299:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory= 21246

That said, $299 for new high-end skis + bindings is still a steal.
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
i'm going to watch the 155 cm and see what they end up at near the end. If they stay low then - heck, i'll lose 10 lbs
post #10 of 15
I'd go the 160, but for the price.
post #11 of 15
The Equipe SC 10 is a great ski, unless you want to go over 45 mph, which you probably don't since that's not exactly a slalom speed. The ski turns like it can read your mind. $200 bucks is a very good deal indeed, though 165 cm might be better for 170 lbs.
post #12 of 15
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i picked up the 155cm for $210. Had i been a bit more ebay savy I probably would have gotten them for seven dollars less. But oh well. Overall quite happy.

( Now. Must put down the cadbury easter egg (so good !! )

Really hoping they come before the 13th so I can try them at least once this season (season ends here April 15th)

Now for my second pair of skis (for everything but the sl turn - bumps, pow, crud)) ... I'm thinking K2 Public Enemies @ 169. (don't worry... I know there are lots of all mtn threads, and I'm reading them

Thanks again you guys! I feel like I got a good ski at a great price, and fingers crossed it helps my skiing!
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by sarahmskis View Post
i picked up the 155cm for $210. Had i been a bit more ebay savy I probably would have gotten them for seven dollars less. But oh well. Overall quite happy.

( Now. Must put down the cadbury easter egg (so good !! )
You don't have the skis in front of you yet, but consider this when you receive them.

As they come from the factory, the Equipe 10 SC skis well. But one thing many people are unaware of is the fact that the Pilot Edge free-flex feature of many Salomons that come with it, is actually not working due to a manufacturing mistake/shortcoming. Basically, they torque the transverse Torx bolts that connect the magnesium plate to the ski way too tight. It creates an indentation in the plastic glide washers that the front transverse Torx bolt is supposed to slide on, to the point where it no longer slides. You can see this when you flex the ski deeply by hand. The bolt, which is supposed to slide up and down the elongated hole, stays put. This means that the entire section of ski under the plate is now limited in flexion.

The reason this mistake/shortcoming happens at the factory is because failing to tighten the transverse Torx bolts tight enough will allow play to occur between the Pilot Edge plate and the ski, killing precision. But they end up tightening it too tight.

This issue (I don't think it reaches the level of "problem") can be solved with two Torx drivers, some red Loctite, plus maybe some plastic-friendly silicone-based grease. They key is that you need to gently pop those glide washers out and either replace them (fat chance finding parts) or swap them side-to-side so that when you reassemble the front transverse Torx bolt, the bolt heads no longer sit squarely in the depression that was formed when the factory over-tightened the bolt. Then you tighten the bolt JUST ENOUGH so that there is both no side-to-side play between the Pilot Edge plate and the ski, while allowing it the ability to slide up and down. You will know when you tightened it just right when the bolt visibly slides up and down the elongated hole during deep flexion of the ski by hand. At the same time while the Pilot Edge plate is disassembled, I'd probably lubricate the bottom of the clear plastic/rubber sandwiched between the magnesium plate and the ski. I'd pay special attention to the front piece, since that has to slide over the ski with the Pilot Edge plate.

Again, note that this is not a critical issue, and the skis will ski fine even if you leave it alone. It's just that I like my things to function as-designed.
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
thanks DtEW - I don't know what torx drivers are, or red loctite. But no worries, I'm just going to print out your post, take it and the skis to the shop when they arrive, and let them look at it and fix if need be.
post #15 of 15
Super glue is a poor mans substitute for Loctite. Torx drivers are screwdrivers with a star pattern head.
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