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All Mountain skis.. Park too?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Okay.

I'll say that I'm an accomplished on-piste skier, can ski all runs with relative ease and I do ski off-piste occasionaly (30% of the time). I'm looking to pick up a new pair of skis at the end of season sales around the place.

I basically had my mind set on a pair of K2 Apache Strykers... they were the perfect pair for me.

However, I recently hit the park for the first time (well, first time trying to do 360s etc) and I really enjoyed it.

That has really sparked some controversy over what skis I should get, because the K2 Apache Strykers are not twin tipped and I would like to hit the park some time...

Basically, I'm now looking for a pair of skis which can do all mountain well, but have twin tips so I can hit the park occasionally.

I need some help now. I've heard the Salomon Teneighty Foil do that... but I would like to consider other skis too...
post #2 of 22
K2 Public Enemies come to mind.
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by DtEW View Post
K2 Public Enemies come to mind.
x2 great skis.
post #4 of 22
PEs all the way.
post #5 of 22
Consider the Rossi Scratch FS or BC as well. Love mine!
post #6 of 22
All of the high-end twins these days are highly capable allmountain skis, and I suspect that many of the manufacturers design them as much or even more for allmountain use than for park use. They include:
Salomon Foil
K2 Public Enemy
Volkl Karma
Dynastar Troublemaker
Rossignol Scratch FS
Nordica Ignition

Just as long as you stay away from the pricepoint twintips, eg the Salomon Flyer/Thruster, K2 Silencer/Fujative, etc, you'll be good.
post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
Ok. If I'm 168cm now, I'm currently skiing on 150s (old, too small).

Just out of curiosity, are wider waists harder to edge on? I'm currently skiing on 65cm on the waist... (I know, super thin) and I struggle off-piste or in un-ideal conditions. Obviuosly 85mm @ waist is good, but the 20.1m sidecut... does that mean I've got less versatility?

By the way, are the skis heavy? I'm 168cm (5'6), around 55kg (115ish lbs.), 13 y/o (I know, young).

BTW. What sort of bindings would I want to get and around how much will they cost (not considering the are end of season sales on right now)
post #8 of 22
PE are heavy.
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
PE are heavy.
Food for thought, my quiver:

174cm K2 Public Enemy (85mm) w/Look PX12 + home-made 3mm Lexan shims = ~13.5lbs.
170cm Atomic LT:11m w/Neox 412 Alu = ~15.3lbs.
155cm Salomon Equipe 10 SC w/Salomon S912 Ti = ~12.0lbs.

Of course, length should be taken into account. "Heavy" is relative.
post #10 of 22
Banquet for thought, my quiver (of 1):

4.9kg skis + 2.36kg bindings = 16 pounds

so I know heavy.

im just saying lighter is better for park
post #11 of 22
Volkl Karmas own . 87 mm Waist .
post #12 of 22
http://4frnt.com/skis-tnk.html
worth a try too.. I tried those and ended up buying PE's before trying any others based on price at SAC
Didn't really compare directly and I have no recent experience with other equipment, but both seem like good twin tip/all mountain skis..
post #13 of 22
Salomon Foil
K2 Public Enemy
Volkl Karma
Dynastar Troublemaker
Rossignol Scratch FS
Nordica Ignition

Great list.....buy one!!

SJ
post #14 of 22
Volkl Karmas
Armada ARVs or ANTs
Rossi Scratch BCs
or really any of the 4Frnt Twin tips.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
Just as long as you stay away from the pricepoint twintips, eg the Salomon Flyer/Thruster, K2 Silencer/Fujative, etc, you'll be good.
I'll vouch for the Rossi Sprayer BC though - fun ski on soft snow, especially considering the price. I really like mine, but the Scratch BC is definitely a step up.
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by DJDaveX View Post
Ok. If I'm 168cm now, I'm currently skiing on 150s (old, too small).

Just out of curiosity, are wider waists harder to edge on? I'm currently skiing on 65cm on the waist... (I know, super thin) and I struggle off-piste or in un-ideal conditions. Obviuosly 85mm @ waist is good, but the 20.1m sidecut... does that mean I've got less versatility?

By the way, are the skis heavy? I'm 168cm (5'6), around 55kg (115ish lbs.), 13 y/o (I know, young).

BTW. What sort of bindings would I want to get and around how much will they cost (not considering the are end of season sales on right now)
Length is all relative IMHO - you will know what's best for you. I'm skiing my TT's about the same length as my carvers, and you supposedly lose about 9cm off the length of TT's due to the tips & tails. I'll be honest - I really don't notice it that much. They don't have quite the grip my carvers do, but they're lighter, shorter (in theory), and more flexible.

Don't be afraid of the sidecut -- since the tails up-turn, I feel that they're much easier to get out of a turn than my "normal" skis, and therefore, seem like a quicker turning skis. They seem to be as quick edge to edge @ 84mm, as anything else I have with exception of my Fischer RC4 SL's. I find them to be a very easy, FUN ski to ride.

I'm finding my TT's to be the most versatile skis I've ever rode.

As far as bindings, the sky is the limit. Go for light weight, and forget about the ones with lifters - you don't need them. I'm using Salomon 810's on everything, and I'm very happy with them.

(BTW - I'm 5'11", 180#)
post #17 of 22
i went to teh park onse, but the copps made me leave after i pooped behind a tree.:
post #18 of 22
Forgot your Paxil today, Jer?
post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 
I ended up picking up a pair of
Dynastar Troublemakers.

I did look for K2 Public Enemys but I looked around a few shops and none of them had them at 159, only 167, I didn't think they would be comfortable to ski on, and its only 1cm shorter than me lol.

I saw Line skis too, but I sort of passed over them. In the end, I was down to Armada AR6, Elan M02.2 Double Rail, or Dynastar Troublemakers. The Elan was around 90mm at the waist, which I thought would be a bit uncomfortable skiing on piste, and the AR6 were a bit pricey, so I went the for the Troublemakers, cus my local ski shop had them down to $350 CAD, which I thought was a bargain...

BTW I did get them at 165cm, but I think it should be ok. I was sorta tight on cash, so I went for cheaper bindings, some TYrolia ones I'm not sure which lol which were around $150CAD.

Haven't tried them yet, gonna do that on Monday [when I get them]. They're being tuned & waxed right now.

Oh yeah, I was just wondering, I think I'm getting the bindings mounted at center at the moment. If I don't like that, is it possible to "re-mount" the bindings? I think I might want it set back around 2cm or so for better all-mountain skiing.

Can't wait!!
post #20 of 22
I think the Foils suck & I usually like Salomon twins. They are a finesse ski with way too much sidecut for taking into the park. The TroubleMaker is a model that is a few years old and has fallen behind some of the others being listed. I would look at the following 4 skis which have been previously listed. (My personal favorite is the Nordica Ignition.)

K2 Public Enemy
Volkl Karma
Rossignol Scratch FS
Nordica Ignition
post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 
Meh. Old design, but it should do for me. My previous skis were really old Elan Integra Race skis (kiddy skis).

Is it possible to remount bindings?
post #22 of 22
I was in the same boat as you. The karma would be your best bet. With the wide width it kills in the pow, but also is one of the stiffest skis in that category, and therefore is great on the groomed. But alas, volkl is not making it next year so i ended up placing an order for a pair of next years Stockli Cobra Snakes. they're 88 at the waist and twin tips. Pretty much a karma in terms of stiffness, and they look sick. And Stockli makes one hell of a ski.

go swiss, consider stocklis
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