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post #1 of 15
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From today's Aspen Times:

Intrawest will offer a new Rocky Mountain Ultimate Pass, which includes unlimited days at Copper Mountain, Winter Park and Steamboat for $999 adults, $559 for teens, $329 for kids and $299 for those 70 and older.

If the new pass is going to break the bank, Intrawest is also introducing the Rocky Mountain Super Pass Plus, which affords skiers and riders unlimited access to Winter Park and Copper, six unrestricted days at Steamboat, as well as free use of Steamboat after 12:30 p.m. on Fridays.

That will cost adults $479, teens $359 and children and those 70 and older $229.

The Rocky Mountain Super Pass will also be back next season with unlimited access to Copper Mountain and Winter Park. Prices are $379 for adults, $229 for teens and $189 for kids.

Skiers and snowboarders who purchase their pass products between April 5 and May 28 will receive special spring bonuses in addition to traditional season-long benefits, such as a subscription to Ski, Skiing or Transworld magazines, discounted ticket prices for friends and family, discounts at Whistler/Blackcomb and a payment plan option.
post #2 of 15
Unless Vail resorts raises the price on the 5 Mtn Pass, I see a lot more of those being sold this year...
post #3 of 15

Copper prices

Yeah, they're making it hard to justify staying loyal to Copper. Here I was thinking they'd lower the Steamboat price, and instead they jacked the Copper only pass wayyy up. Can they give Steamboat back :-) ? I agree that many people who don't need to ski at Copper will be going 5 mtn pass...

John
post #4 of 15
I don't think this means that the plain old Copper pass is unavailable, does it?
post #5 of 15
I think I read that a season to Copper only is going to be $349? Last year the Copper-only pass was what, $200-something?
post #6 of 15
yep, last year the early season price for a Copper pass was $269, and now they are selling the same thing for $349 (www.passwagon.com). Aren't hedge funds great? There has been rapid escalation of all services at Copper, from parking through concessions, and even last year the pass prices increased a fair bit (from 225 to 269). The ski school eliminated the good deal of the Sunday Sensation lesson program. I've also found that Copper's management is anything but customer focused.

There's several sources of this arrogance, I believe. First, Copper believes it has terrain that is differentiated and substantially better than any other Summit County resort. I used to think this as well, but my eyes have been opened with the Imperial Express chair at Breck. No longer can you call it Breckenflats -- the Lake Chutes, Snow White, Whale's Tail, Art's Bowl, all offer terrain that rivals or exceeds Coppers. What Copper has that the others do not is naturally divided terrain, so that the lift lines are shorter in the expert areas. This is easily overcome with the $159 unlimited lesson card at Breck, where you can cut lines Thurs-Sun and get some pointers as well.

Certainly, Fortress is looking to capitalize from its investment in Intrawest, and most likely thinks the front range season passes are underpriced. After all, even though I spread my skiing around Summit and Eagle County, my daily cost of lift service this year was about $20/day. I'm sure that IW/Fortress are simply doing the math, and the math suggests that the yield will be higher with higher season ticket prices. The price elasticity of demand for season passes is probably not that great.

And, frankly, this may not be the greatest tragedy. I've become increasingly frustrated with the commute to Summit County that is largely driven by the prevalence of these cheap season passes. If I have to pay more for my season pass, but the number of folk who buy drops and hence the number of skiers drops as well as the number of cars on I70 drops, it might just increase the value of the skiing experience.

I am quite interested in what Vail Resorts is going to do.

Mike
post #7 of 15
I was thinking of getting a Loveland season pass + the Copper-only pass for next season. But at $349 for the Copper-only pass, it's looking a bit steep. I may go with a Loveland pass + the CO Pass.

As everyone else, I'm also waiting for Vail's prices. Anyone know when they'll announce?
post #8 of 15
Hmmm, that is a jump. So Copper-only is $349, Copper + WP is $379, which means most people will go ahead and buy the Super Pass since it's only $30 more, and "you might as well." I wonder what the numbers are on how many people buy the Super Pass but only go to one mountain. I did that 2 years ago, so I bought just the Copper pass this past season.

I also had the 5 mountain pass this season, which was great. But I bought it only because I had events to attend at both Keystone and Vail. In all, I have (so far) 3 days at ABasin, 3 at Keystone, 5 at Vail, and 15-20 at Copper. So, in the neighborhood of $22 a day.

Frankly, $225 is nuts for a season pass, and $269 is pretty crazy, too. I don't mind paying a little more if it means fewer people on the slopes, not that I find many crowds where I ski at Copper anyway.

I will buy the Super Pass Plus next year, most likely. I've never skied Steamboat -- only been there in summer. We're going to Austria in March, so that will take up a lot of our ski time and money. Possibly the ABasin only pass, which is (was) cheap, and I just love that place.

Buuuut, now that I'm thinking about it, it was fun having both passes ... see, I'm almost up to $1,000 in season passes in my head already. I guess that's what the corporate folks are counting on.

(Except I do get my money's worth, which ISN'T necessarily what they count on ...)
post #9 of 15
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(Except I do get my money's worth, which ISN'T necessarily what they count on ...)
No doubt that the resorts do make a bit of money of folk who buy a pass or 4 pack, but do not use it. But the real benefit come to them from the financial swap -- that is, they trade the risk of skier visits largely dependent on snow conditions for a fixed stream of revenue. That means they have a level of revenue in the bank regardless of whether they've got snow or not. These front range season passes must be an important risk management tool for the resorts, as they remove a good bit of the weather depenendency from their business.

Mike
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by faisasy View Post
Pass.

As everyone else, I'm also waiting for Vail's prices. Anyone know when they'll announce?
Vail Resorts had typically announced right after Copper blinks. So, It should be any minute now.
post #11 of 15

But will the kiddies buy it, JB?

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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post
yep, last year the early season price for a Copper pass was $269, and now they are selling the same thing for $349 \

I am quite interested in what Vail Resorts is going to do.

Mike
Here's an interesting wrinkle. Jane is 5 and has her 'pass' already for Copper and Winter Park. If I renew her pass BEFORE her birthday, it appears she can ski another year for free since she won't be 6 WHEN WE BUY THE PASS.

Am I interpreting this correctly? We paid 20 or 30 bucks to get her a picture ID for Copper/Winter Park - that's what this footnote implies - yes?

"*Age category is determined by date of purchase for the Rocky Mountain Ultimate Pass and all Steamboat-only passes "
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by janesdad View Post
Here's an interesting wrinkle. Jane is 5 and has her 'pass' already for Copper and Winter Park. If I renew her pass BEFORE her birthday, it appears she can ski another year for free since she won't be 6 WHEN WE BUY THE PASS.

Am I interpreting this correctly? We paid 20 or 30 bucks to get her a picture ID for Copper/Winter Park - that's what this footnote implies - yes?

"*Age category is determined by date of purchase for the Rocky Mountain Ultimate Pass and all Steamboat-only passes "
Steamboat's policy has always been age as of purchase date. So unless policy changes I would think yes, Ultimate Pass ($999 3 mtn pass) and Steamboat-only you could get for free before her 6th birthday.
post #13 of 15
The official scoop from the Intrawest Passwagon site:

http://www.passwagon.com/RM_passes.htm

It said something about age as of Nov 1, 2007 but then I didn't read it too closely. Better buy'em soon as they are on sale in Spring for a limited time.
post #14 of 15
Correct, for the RMSP to get the 5 and under pass the age is determined as of November 1st (which is how it's always been for Copper and WP).

here's a differentiator though, For each adult Ultimate Pass, (unlimited at all 3 resorts for $999), that you buy you can get a free children's ultimate for an immediate relative of 12 and under. Steamboat has been doing this for 21 years apparently.
post #15 of 15
Ahh. Glad they do that for the kids.

I will be glad that I will start to get employee discounts out there next season.
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