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07/08 Threedom Pass

post #1 of 12
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What gives with the higher prices? Last year the limited pass (w/blackout dates) was $370, this year its $600. The anytime pass is now $750. The blackouts only apply to Loon this year, but it still seems like a pretty dramatic price increase for one year. I was talking to someone on the lift this year who worked for waterville and I asked him if the mountain was hurting financially due to the so-so winter. He replied, "some years the place makes buckets of money, some years it makes a few buckets less". So when I called the other day to ask about the price increase and the ticket office cited "operating expenses", I had a hard time believing it. Anyone know why the sudden jump?
post #2 of 12
"I talked to someone who worked for Waterville..."

Did he work as their accountant or as a liftie? Very few mountains make ANY money, well that's not exactly true, buckets of money may come in on holiday weekends in ticket sales and food, those same buckets full of cash go OUT in operating expenses. Check season pass prices from the mid-90's, they cost a lot more back then (I'll bet a season pass for Wallyworld alone cost over $700 in 1998). The ASC pass and the Threedom Pass is an experiment to see if lots of early season season pass sales make more money than lots of day pass sales in season, they are adjusting the program...seems like somewhere in the middle may be the most profitable.
post #3 of 12
Plus, now with the break-up of ASC and the demise of the All for One Pass, there is less need to keep season pass prices low to stay even with the competition. I bet Booth Creek was licking their chops when they heard about the sale of the ASC East resorts.
post #4 of 12
sounds like I'm not going to buy any season pass and ski more out West or in Europe if this is the case.
post #5 of 12
You can get from New England to Europe or the Rockies multiple times for less than $600?
post #6 of 12
Not necessarly but I'm not going to commit that much money to skiing one or two small mountains.
post #7 of 12
"small mountains..." are you sure?

Loon 2,100' vert. Alta 2,020' vert.
Killington 3,100' vert. Snowbird 2,900' vert.

They have wide open terrain, they get more consistant snow, they get better snow...they aren't actually any bigger.
post #8 of 12
Apples and oranges. The diversity of terrain at Alta versus Loon is so drastic, I don’t see how you could put them in the same category or even compare them fairly. Just in skiable acreage I would venture to say that Alta is probably close to ten times the acreage of Loon. Pretty much the same with Killington and Snowbird.
post #9 of 12
Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
"small mountains..." are you sure?

Loon 2,100' vert. Alta 2,020' vert.
Killington 3,100' vert. Snowbird 2,900' vert.

They have wide open terrain, they get more consistant snow, they get better snow...they aren't actually any bigger.

While Loon's vert is all accessible, Killington's published drop is misleading. The main lift starts above 2500' and the summit is at 4200' - that's about 1700' feet of drop and if you ski Downdraft, Dipper or Eastfall, the last 300' is pretty flat run out. To get the full 3100' you'd have to ski from the summit to the bottom of the gondola way down on the highway, something you only want to do last run if you have parked there. Superstar starts lower and ends at the same elevation as the summit left - even less drop. Pretty much no matter where you ski it you have traverses or runouts. To me, it's basically a 1500' hill, big left-to-right but not really up-and-down.
post #10 of 12
Who cares about vertcal anyway? I don't care what the drop is on Outer Limits when its bumped up like it was today I stop 3-4 times anyway. If it were 1000' more vertical it wouldn't be better. I care about lifts, terrain, snow and crowds. Vertical never comes up when I think where I want to ski.
As far as the threedom pass. It's without doubt because pf the sale of Killington. The question is what happens to the Killington passes?
post #11 of 12
lol, well, fine. All I meant was that most ski areas puff up their stats, and Killington worse than most, surprise, surprise. I don't care about vert, per se - I love little hills. But I do care about the terrain and how direct the drop is - whether you have to waste half of the drop of the hill just to get to a decent run, which means you're sitting on the lift longer for less. If you don't like crowds then Killington on a Sunday is not a great place to be. Burke (closing day today), all 1400' of honest drop, was great.
post #12 of 12
I have to tell you I ski Killington every weekend and there are only 2 lifts that are ever crowded and still they are not bad unless it's a holiday. Bear mountain quad and the K1 gondola. Killington gets a bad rap for crowds and it is entirely undeserved. Have seen far far worse crowds at many other mountains including many out west. But i'm glad because it means more skiing for me!
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