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Boot Reco for the Overcanted?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Now that the season's pretty much over and the gear sales will begin, I'm probably in the market for some new boots. I've had canting issues in the past since I'm rather bowlegged (about 1-2 degrees each leg). I've had the soles planed on my current Salomon X-Wave 8s but I want to avoid that with any future boots if possible.

I've read (I think in Harb's ACBES I book) that a rotary boot like Head is best for overcanted folk.

Can anyone reco any other model or brand I should look into?
post #2 of 10
Personally, I would buy a boot that is lasted similar to my foot shape and that fits well.........Then have it balanced. I would not buy a boot with the primary criteria being to avoid the need for alignment adjustments.

Why do you want to avoid planing your boots? It is actually a benefit to have the lifter plates because they are easily replacable for wear and protect your boot sole angles.

b
post #3 of 10
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The last pair of boots I had planed just never felt right afterwards... I don't know... there's also something about doing irreversible mods to a $600-800 new boot that I'm wary of. I had my Salomons done at a very, very reputable shop but I think other mods done by them were off. I want to avoid having to pay a premium for something that may not work well and not be reversible.

Initially I had canted riser plates put under my bindings, and that worked well. I took them off because they started to buckle under the binding and I thought that may be a problem. I was also sold on the "with planed soles you can demo any ski" pitch. (Then I realized I don't really use other skis that often!).

So, I may go back to the riser plates as my remedy.

As an experiment I did buy a pair of Atomic boots on eBay once for which Atomic sent me some small shims that screwed inside the boot's heel plate to cant the boot in the same way planing would. Never got the pair on snow but it seemed like a novel idea. I haven't found any other boot models like that nor anyone who's heard of it. Maybe I was dreaming?
post #4 of 10
Salomon used to have the cant soles on their SX series (rear entry ) Atomic had a boot that could be canted without any mods Just some screws to make the adjustment. I think it only lasted one season.

$600-800? Yikes. you must be paying full price and then some.. at 600-800, the shop should be doing the canting and custom insoles..

I don't think any of the shops I've ever worked with charged full retail unless a lot of work was thrown in.. Most discounted the boots and charged extra for canting and fitting. If the old insoles were done right, you should be able to move them to your new boots.

End of the season sales are putting the top of the line Salomon at 400-450 I think. the Xwave 8 is a pretty nice boot even for an advanced skier so getting into a falcon (similar boot last) should be pretty reasonable. As Bud mentioned, Find a boot that fits your foot, then worry about balance..

DC
post #5 of 10
Do your canting in a reversible way first. (Cuff adjustment (cant)) then Duct tape the bindings until you get it right. (Ski several days with them this way)
2 strips of duct tape produce a .5" cant.

When you get it right, then have them planed and lifted..

A good shop should be willing to work with you on this..

(This is where I put in the disclaimer.. the mfg would tell you not to do this as it might compromise the release properties of the bindings)
post #6 of 10
Actually any Atomic boot with removable heel & toe lugs had shims available that you put between the toe lug and heel lug and the shell that offered I believe 1.5 degrees. They could be installed on the medial or lateral side of either or both boots.

You simply unscrewed the lug and placed the plastic shims over ththe 2 outside screws and replaced the lug.

Lange also had removable heel & toe laugs on the older WC 120 & 130 Series that were canted 1.5 degrees. Wit 2 pair of lugs you could either go inside thick or outside thick. On each boot But not Inside thicj on one boot and outside thick on the other unlsess you bought 2 complete sets.
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by TonyP View Post
As an experiment I did buy a pair of Atomic boots on eBay once for which Atomic sent me some small shims that screwed inside the boot's heel plate to cant the boot in the same way planing would. Never got the pair on snow but it seemed like a novel idea. I haven't found any other boot models like that nor anyone who's heard of it. Maybe I was dreaming?
for this to work properly you need to put the shims under the toe and heel lugs.
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Actually any Atomic boot with removable heel & toe lugs had shims available that you put between the toe lug and heel lug and the shell that offered I believe 1.5 degrees. They could be installed on the medial or lateral side of either or both boots.
Do newer Atomics still have these? I wonder why other bootmakers haven't done likewise. Wouldn't this be a bonus to eliminate the need for costly planing and also allow for some experimentation?
post #9 of 10
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Do newer Atomics still have these? I wonder why other bootmakers haven't done likewise. Wouldn't this be a bonus to eliminate the need for costly planing and also allow for some experimentation?
i have not looked at the screw pattern on the toe and heel lugs of the newer Atomic boots.

Definetly is not applicable to Race Tech of any flavor since they don't have removable toe & heel lugs.

They were still available for Tri-tech boot in 2005.

It was part # Z750908 You can probably have a shop order them. it should be very inexpensive. it is basically 2 washers about 1.5 inches aprt connected by a palstic strip. They fit over the two inside or 2 outside screws between the shell and the toe & heel lug. I believe they do one pair of boots. it is called Sole Canting kit
post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 

I know this is an old thread but coming back to EpicSki after a long hiatus, I just wanted to thank you guys for the great advice. Glad to see such pros on here and glad to see a "Boot Guys" forum on the great new version of EpicSki as well!

 

I finally ended up with Tecnica Diablo Flames because not only were they one of the most comfortable I tried on, but they seemed to offer the most off-the-shelf adjustments of many other boots.

 

FYI, DC, the reason I paid so much for my old boots was that for adjustments I went to different shops that were in the same "network" of boot gurus and the route to each mod was an added expense. (For every issue, there was an costly "fix.") I won't get into details but let's just say I ended up spending way more than the price of the boots all said and done-- and I never really felt dialed in after all the mods and planing and such. Or, it could have just been me and my feet. And my old boot was the wrong buy.

 

Trying to avoid that with my new boots... if there are problems with these, I'll know it was my feet and not the work the boot pros did on my previous boots that prevented me from being perfectly set up.

 

Going to try the cuff alignment and duct tape and see where that takes me...

 

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