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Help finding Junior skis

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
FIrst post So I dunno that much about skiing (yet).

I'm a teenager, and a particularly small one at it, I'm 5'3", and about 96lb (no, i'm not anorexic). I read the guide to posting stuff here, and it said to say what skis I liked, personally, I havn't liked pretty much any of the skis i've rented/bought.

It starts out eight years ago, my whole family buys skis, i get budget rossignol skis that were 120cm tall (which was taller than me at the time), they got too short, so I took on my brother's 130cm Dynastars, and last year (even though they were below my chin), I was using them till the binding got ripped out when I was skiing. Since then I rented, I rented some Salomon 140cm skis for one day (the day my Dynastars broke), and I don't remember the model, eariler this year, I rented some Salomon Snowtrip's or something like that at 155cm in length, and I recently rented 150cm Rossignol RocX skis (very busy year, not much skiing this year, usually we ski at least 10 times a year). All of them I didn't like that much. But then again, those are the only skis I've EVER used in my whole life (besides like rental skis that like 9 years ago past my memory).

I don't have the skiing level chart on hand (like from level 1-10), but I don't do the wedge anymore, I like to ski fast and agressively, I turn like a racer (not slalom though, but I lean in a lot on my turns and such), and I prefer groomed/packed powder trails, and I don't do moguls (not interested in learning, or not yet). I go down any trail that doesn't have moguls with ease, and I prefer to have longer skis.

I really have no idea what kind of skis I want, I know they should be race oriented, but I havn't tried out anything really, I could probably use mens skis, as I can handle long skis (ones taller than me) with reletive ease, and I guess I have a preference for Atomic (wide variety, good reputation, and personal opinion of good looks).

Any suggestions? Feel free to ask more questions before giving me suggestions as I would be happy to answer them.

Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 22
Where do you live, and where do you ski?

Don't assume that you want race skis. You'll probably be better served by a good all-mountain, albeit on the narrower side (waist in the 70s, probably), since you prefer the groomed.

What's your budget?
post #3 of 22
Consider a Jr race ski; http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/mercha...y_Code=kidskis

The Atomic GS9 or SX9 in a 140cm look like a safe bet.

post #4 of 22
Thread Starter 
I live in New England, this year, we only went to a ski resort twice (too many high school applications, WAY too busy), we went to Attitash Bear Peak and Sunday River, usually we ski at Sunapee, Loon, Waterville, and stuff like that.

Also, a quick question, what do you define as groomed? Does that mean that the trail basically isn't just powder, or is it like "corduroy" grooming?

ANd the budget is around 500 bucks or less (lots of clearence 40% off stuff around now).

And one thing, I'm still growing (grew like 4 inches in the last year), and I won't be skiing for the rest of this season, but there are big sales now, so I figure it might be a good time to buy. And also, should skis be from chin to nose, or nose to forehead (i've heard both, 150s are about at my forehead).

EDIT: Some more background in skiing.

I only ski over here in the east, I don't have any interest for skiing on powder snow (I like going fast and carving nice large turns), I ski on piste/hardpack. I don't like too much powder at all (like a popular packed/groomed powder trail at the end of the day), but I can pretty much ski on anything I want (but, obviously I prefer better groomed trails). On the type I/II/III chart they use for renting and stuff, I'd be type III, I can go on any black diamond I want (unless it's excessively bumpy/mogully), and I am agressive and prefer fast speeds. Ice also is easy for me to cope with (I never fall on ice, I only fall on some unexpected space of powder snow, or something like a jump). My turning and skiing are fluid as well.
post #5 of 22
So what you're looking for is a ski that will perform well on "frozen granular."

As far as what "groomed" means, as I use it, it doesn't necessarily mean fresh corduroy, but it does mean that it has been packed down by a machine at some point.

I'd look seriously at the Fischer AMC 70 or 73, both of which would help you develop your skills, and both of which are available as 152s or 153s. A good inexpensive option might be the K2 Apache Jr in a 153 -- I picked up a couple of pairs for my kids for $75 at REI last summer, so even if you only get one season out of them, you'll be in good shape. Volkl AC2 or AC3, or S4, again in the low-150s lengths.

I'm sure others have ideas too. You might want to PM SierraJim, who knows his stuff really well and may have some deals for you.
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
Oh, I use groomed as pretty much fresh corduroy, and yeah, frozen grangular and "fresh corduroy" are what I like to ski on. I'll check out the skis you reccomended.

Oh, and also, should I just demo/rent performance skis next year? I'm not sure if we're going to ski that much, and the Apache jr.s look pretty good, I'm gonna go look at the Fischers now.

EDIT (again): And I finally found something I want in skis, a good edge hold, I'm tired of skis always slipping around on the snow when I turn.

Oh, and can somebody give me a link to the 1-10 scale for skiing ability? Or just copy and paste it into your post.
post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
Bump, surely there is somebody that can help me...
post #8 of 22
I think we've been trying.

One guide to ski levels is available on the Aspen-Snowmass site, here.

Demoing skis to find a pair you like is almost always a better idea than taking the word of some guy on the internet. At most, the suggestions here should help you get an idea of what to try.
post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 
Sorry, I ddin't mean to offend any people that posted already, my apologies to you (no I'm not being sarcastic).

Thanks for the ski level guide. I would Say I'm a 7, just need to work on short radius turns and skiing off-piste and moguls, but other than that "Blacks are a piece of cake." Or at least they are here in the East (never had any more than like 6 inches of ungroomed snow).

Anyways, I'll try demoing all mountain carvers and on-piste carvers (not sure if they both mean the same thing...), and maybe even something like medium end race skis. Too bad I'm not skiing till... at earliest around December (too busy and snow has come late these last few years), and I'll try to coax my parents into going on more skiing day trips in addition to our 2-3 day trips (like on winter vacation and long weekends).
post #10 of 22
Cow . . .

You haven't mentioned anything about boots yet. Do you have your own pair of good fitting boots? This is the piece of equipment that you should be focusing on. There are SO MANY skis to enjoy and try out, but you will never know how good they are if you are in a pair of crappy ill fitting boots.

My .02 is to get yourself fitted into a good boot and then demo some skis. Look to ebay/discount sites for skis and try a ton of different stuff. The boots are far more important then the skis - not as easy to get excited about, but far more important.
post #11 of 22
No offense taken.

And tchpdx has an excellent point. Boots first. They are the single most important piece of the puzzle, and the single one you can't effectively rent.

All mountain carver vs. on-piste carver: The former is intended to let you go off piste anyway from, say, 20 or 30% of the time to maybe 50-60%. On-piste means what it says.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
To say it iquickly, i've never had any ski equipment that was not sub-par. I used boots that were like size 1, then I used my brothers size 2.5s, then I got salomon jr. size 3.5s, and been renting since then. So i've never had a decent boot either. Although I do agree that boots are important, after skiing on rentals, my feet (and my shins) take a beating (my shin is still bruised right now), are there any good boot fitters around Boston? Or like southern New Hampshire like Nashua? And I also agree that boots arn't as easy to get excited about.

FOr the piste vs. all mountain skis... Well I guess I have only skiied on groomed trails (like maybe 5% or less off piste), but then again, my goal is to master mogul, powder and off-piste skiing (although that I doubt we'll go to the west any time soon), so all-mountain carvers might be right for me. Boy do I wish I had a larger budget, then I'd buy more than one pair of skis, but I guess to my parents theres stuff more important than skiing.
post #13 of 22
Yes, there are decent boot fitters around you. Search here and at tetongravity.com/forums; I'm sure others have asked and been answered. I think that Green Mountain Orthotics, in Stratton VT, has a good rep.
post #14 of 22
BOOTS! Don't buy skis before you get a well fitted boot. There is absolutely no point in it. You will never, never, never know how good (or bad) a ski is if you are in sub-par boots.

You can make a bad ski do good things if you are in properly fitted boots, but you can not make a good ski do anything if your boots suck. This is a fact and it won't be disputed here.

If you already have pain associated to poorly fitted boots - purchasing skis over boots is an absolute waste of your money and more importantly your ability to improve as a skier.

Everyone else should get on board with me and tell Cow to get boots - no more ski suggestions.
post #15 of 22
Thread Starter 
Sure.. and Stratton VT, is... about 2 and a half hours away (maybe three) my parents wouldn't go that far just to get me properly fitted boots, so i'll check out the forums there. Anyways, I guess I should mention that If I ever do get any ski gear at all, it's gonna be online, or at a retail shop somewhere within an hour and a half away from BOston area (and that means an hour and a half of driving North, because Connecticut is also pretty far away).

Would this place be good? It was on the recommended boot fitters list on the Gear section, it's a little less than an hour away from where I live, and we go to Boston often, and it's like 15 mins away from there, would this be good?
post #16 of 22
If they're on the recommended boot fitters list in Gear, that's a good sign.
post #17 of 22
Another vote for the boots being the first item to own.
Now, if you're on a budget and that your feet are still growing, do not over spend on boots and boot fitting either... Definitely get a boot that fits you well, that's all. You'll keep it just one season. And do not customize it to the point you can't re-sell it.
This is a gear-head forum...
post #18 of 22
Philippe has excellent points. I retract what I said previously about bootfitting (at least unless the shop you buy from includes it in the price).

However, I would take the time to go to a shop where the sales staff knows enough to look at and/or measure not just the length, but the width, and in multiple places, before they recommend a boot. The closer you can get to a good fit out of the box, the happier you'll be.
post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 
How much does boot fitting typically cost?
post #20 of 22
Many places include free bootfooting if you buy boots from them, even if they are on sale. Now is a great time to do it because they have more time and gear is heavily discounted. Of course, you may still be growing, which would argue towards waiting until next year. I would suggest you look at some women's skis, since with your weight you may have a hard time getting some of the unisex models to flex properly. I am a similar level skier and similar size, although slightly heavier, and I really am enjoying the Fischer Vision 70's, which I got in a 152 length. I used to ski a much longer straight ski, but I'm finding it's a lot easier to really carve my turns with these as well as going much faster. They don't look girly at all, but they work fabulously for intermediate-advanced women. Also very reasonably priced right now, I got them for about $280 including free shipping and with bindings. If you go over to the skidiva website www.theskidiva.com you will see that lots of people over there love the Fischer Vision 70's or 73's. Excellent grip in hardpack or even ice, and a fast ski with a quick turning radius. You may also want to try the K2 Burning Luv, I know a lot of more expert women skiers really like it.
post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 
Usually I take substance>Style, but at skiing, not so much. I'm a boy, not a girl, and too many times I've been called a girl (some random instructor told some of the young little students (really young) to ride the chairlift "with this girl", then some guys at the top of a trail said to my bro while we were skiing that "wow, that 8 year old girl is really good", but I was like 12 and a boy). So... I don't think I'm gonna get them. However, will try and get some properly fitted boots.
post #22 of 22
FYI, thecow, there's a mens' version of the Fischer Vision 70. It's called the AMC 70. Pics on Overstock, but it looks like they only have the 170s. I bought a pair of 158s for my wife, but after skiing them five days or so, she decided she prefers the Dynastar Exclusive Legend. I could let them go for $200 plus actual shipping.

Overstock also has 2004/05 Atomic SX:10s in 150, with bindings, for $380. I have not skied these, but if you search here, I suspect you'll find reviews by folks who have. I do know that Realskiers had them in the running for ski of the year, and liked them as a one-ski-quiver for people who ski groomers fast in a variety of turn shapes. Sounds like a great East Coast ski.

Finally, you might want to send a PM to SierraJim, who may have some good suggestions for you.
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