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post #31 of 49


Congratulations TheRusty and MattChuck2!!!

...And thanks for serving as an inspriation!
post #32 of 49
Nice recap Rusty, thanks.
post #33 of 49
Thanks for sharing you exam experience Rusty! It was very informative and will be very useful to any of us going for that coveted gold pin!

Congratulations! Sounds like you were well prepared!

post #34 of 49
Congrats TR and mattchuck2.

post #35 of 49
Way to Go!
Boy do I have a lot of respect for the L3 pin!
I really appreciate your recap of what went down.
Your exam process sounds very much like the L2 I took at Okemo the week prior.
Not with the same successful outcome, however.
Our examiners were all superb in laying out the task and giving practice opportunity before grading.
Be certain that I will review yur account many times in the near future. thanks for that.
post #36 of 49
Thread Starter 
Rusty pretty much summed up the whole experience and the right attitude to go into such a test with (own the movements). So I'm just going to add a little bit about where we did tasks and some of the feedback I got.

With Hoser, we skied short turns on Superstar Headwall (going into Middle Superstar - they like to see how you handle the transition from steep to flat), We also did retraction turns and hop to shape on Superstar. Both of these tasks were supposed to be done with a short radius (I guess), but it seemed as though Hoser had us use a little wider radius than Steve O'Connor. Also on Superstar (skier's left at the bottom) were our Schoolhouse Bumps and our Medium to Long Radius Turns in Bumps. We originally tried our free run on Outer Limits, but enough people had trouble so that we moved to Skye Hawk. We did demos on whatever that trail is that goes from the Snowshed Quad to the Skyship Gondola. Feedback from Hoser was that I needed to show more extension and flexion from the ankles in my christie and open parallel demos. Also that I "totally missed" the schoolhouse bump task (he wanted us to go straight down the fall line with skidded turns when I took a more "circuitous" route - ALWAYS do exactly what the examiner does). Also, he said that I should show more ankle flex in SR turns.

Barb Marshall was very accomodating. She gave everyone an opportunity to practice tasks on the same terrain that we would be tested on. MR-LR turns in bumps and Schoolhouse Bumps were on Double Dipper. Retraction turns on Reason. Hop to Shape on the Blue Part of East Fall. Free run on the Black part of East Fall. Short Turns on Rime. Demos on Snowshed on the way down. Feedback from her was a warning not to rotate the shoulders in SR turns and to use more progressive edging in SR turns. She also said not to rush the matching in my wedge christie and to engage the uphill edge of the inside ski during open parallel turns.

Steve O'Connor was great. He's how I would be if I were an examiner. we pounded short turns on Superstar Headwall and two sections of Skyelark. Like Rusty said, the last time he told us to put some energy into it. I did, but only because he told me to. Normally I try to rein it during exams (besides the random helis). we also did retraction turns on Skyelark. We did MR turns and Schoolhouse Bumps on Outer Limits (which was great the second day). I don't remember where we did the demos, or the free run. Feedback from Steve was that I should concentrate on looking down the hill (which I normally do, but when doing demos and skier tricks I sometimes look down to make sure my feet are doing the right things). Also, in my hop to shape turns, I should let my legs extend during the air (so that I land in a relatively extended position). He noted my ability to absorb the landing (which is what I'm used to doing), but reminded my to let my legs go long.

I realize this feedback means relatively nothing unless you see me ski, but I can never get anyone to tape me skiing so, you'll have to wait until I post a video. However, everyone can benefit from advice such as "use a more progressive edge during short radius turns", so I thought I'd share.

Going into the test I was pretty confident, and I remained confident throughout about my skiing ability. My biggest fear came from screwing up demos. I kept hearing horror stories about the guy who was a great skier, but had too much edge in his open parallel so So and So examiner failed him. So, by trying to concentrate on doing my demos perfectly, I probably screwed them up more than I would have if I had just been out skiing. My other time of doubt came on hop to shape. I had never really done them in short radius, and I wasn't really sure about the specifics of the drill. The first time I tried it I was jumping forward (good) but jumping off of my toes and kicking my heels up (bad). Lucky for me, I'm an extreme visual learner and I'm very good at copying other people's skiing. By the 2nd day, I was completely confident in my hop to shape.

All in all, the test was exactly as I expected. Of course, I had seen the process before. My fiancee took the skiing part of level III last year (also at Killington). She returned this year and passed the teaching with flying colors. Tuesday Night was definitely a good night for me.
post #37 of 49
Congrats boys,
This will stay with you for a very long time.
post #38 of 49
Well done Mr. Carr!!

I took my skiing test at Killington in 2004 at the very end of March with similar conditions. Had Barb Marshall, Tim Thompson and Bart Hayes (but in reverse order). The coaching day was still in existence and it was for the full first day. I was in a strong group, 5 of 7 passed that day, but we certainly benefitted from the input on Day 1. Changes were made by people that did contribute to their passing, in my opinion, and it was a very entertaining process to watch others make changes and give hope to the rest. One of the strongest aspects of our group was a genuine desire to see the others do well. We had a lot of energy between us all and as the day wore on for Day 2 and the snow got heavier and mushier, this really picked a few of us up.

Now on to Part II for you...

post #39 of 49
I do agree that the recaps provided by the two successful super-guys was informative and interesting -- but there is something seriously lacking. The initial post emphasized the horrible, horrible jokes that were a part of the experience. The Rusty shared a great one in this thread, but was that one of the ones used during the exam? Give us a few of those actually told during the exam. We can handle it.
post #40 of 49
Ok ok - by popular demand. Mind you, the really good ones are too racy for this forum (send me a PM for it - yours is not on). But my seriously bad jokes collectively have a name. Can you guess what they are called?
post #41 of 49
Yes! congratulations to both of you! What a great feeling!

good luck with the remainder.
post #42 of 49

Congrats to MATTCHUCK - a newly minted level 3

Mattchuck has passed the Level III part 2 exam. Way to go! Now you are also ready to learn how to teach skiing.
post #43 of 49
Good job, Matt. It would be great to hear about that part of the certification.

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Thread Starter 
Haha, thanks, but don't let Rusty fool you, he passed his at Hunter. So congratulations to him, too! Lots of new Level III's on the old epicski these days . . .

It took me two tries . . . but nothing worth having ever comes easy . . . In fact, it might feel even better when you overcome.
post #45 of 49
Way to go guys!

I would have passed TRusty's teaching just by his posts on here...


post #46 of 49
damn fine job the both 'o ya!!

three thumbs up for L3 eh?
post #47 of 49
I purposely did not take good notes for this exam because I needed to focus more on participating. The prep clinics and the study guide give a very good approximation of what the exam experience is about. It's basically a one hour 50 question written test plus 4 1/2 day on snow modules. Two of the on snow modules were basically group discussion and two involved getting cards describing a teaching opportunity and presenting a mock lesson segment.

My examiners were Bob Shostek, Doug Daniels, Kristi Robinson and Mermer Blakeslee. There were 13 questions out of the 50 that I thought had debatable answers. The four modules were teaching movements and skills, teaching children, movement assessment and creative teaching. We had cards for the children and creative teaching segments. We watched a level 3 part 1 group perform short radius turns for our movement assessment victims. The pass rate for part 2 at Hunter was a little over 75%. All 6 in my group passed.

As I said for part 1, there are ways to look at this exam as being ridiculously easy to pass if you've prepared properly and ways to look at the exam as being extremely hard. Although I passed, I'm very disappointed with my performance at the exam in several aspects and feel more humbled than proud. Looking back, the preparation was harder than the exam. Bob Shostek emphasized that we should not be looking at the exam as a pass or fail experience. Instead we should view the exam as validating knowledge and skills. Many have said that PSIA Level III is a license to learn. I have more learning to do now than when I started this quest 6 years ago.

Thanks to all of you bears for helping me get this far and for helping to make our time on snow more fun.
post #48 of 49
April 4, 2008

Congratulations to the both of you MC2 and TR. I know how much work goes into preparing for the Level III skiing exams, since I observe that Coaches at Liberty, put a lot of time and effort into getting ready for the LIII exams (not to say that the LI or LII exams are cake walks, since Coaches here also put max effort for these exams as well).

I would like to particularly congratulate and thank TR, since he seems often on the forefront in answering skiing questions and MA requests from fellow Bears. You have made the skiers of Liberty/Whitetail/Roundtop proud of your achievements (max vertical 980 ft, sum of all three vertical 2130 ft).

Think snow,


PS: I can now do fairly good pivot slips. Thanks for your help that day at Whitetail as well as the hint that if it feels right, your probably doing it right.
post #49 of 49
Congratulations guys. Well done.
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