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Why did she fall?

post #1 of 18
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Except for the bumpy part of the first half the w dh was kind of boring. The winner is a totall surprise.
The almost only interesting thing was the weird fall of Lalive.
She was running well balanced, in speed position, but something went wrong.What do u think went wrong?
I am not experienced, but i see only two explanations: either there was sth on the snow that went between the skis ( unlikely), or it was the binding gear ( most likely) :
post #2 of 18
To me it looked like the inside ski was carrying a lot of the carve, but she should have recovered from it.

OK, so here's the thing - no men fell on their race. A few women fell on theirs. Yet the skiers who were commentating that I heard all said that the men's course was more technically difficult than the womens. So, were the men not going for it as much as the women, or were the pundits wrong in how they read the courses?
(I don't mean this in any sexist way, I was expecting that if the men's course was really difficult, a few would fall, yet none did!)

S
post #3 of 18
I thought the hill with the blind landing (Flintlock?) made the men's course a bit tougher. Take a bad line and you will HAVE to throw an extra turn in there before the gate (as Rahlves did).
post #4 of 18
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wear the fox hat ?:

OK, so here's the thing - no men fell on their race. A few women fell on theirs.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually Fox, your own countryman, Paul Patrick Schwarzacher-Joyce, fell in the men's race, but got up and finished, 15 seconds out of first place. A forerunner fell as well.
post #5 of 18
She just seemed to catch an edge, it was a pretty tame fall, but one of those nasty ones that can really twist your knee and ending up doing all sorts of damage. She was lucky.

As far as the falling goes, it was just one of those anomalies, but as said, the fore-runner had a fall that made a mjor mess of the fencing, would have been good to see.
post #6 of 18
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bill Emmett:
Actually Fox, your own countryman, Paul Patrick Schwarzacher-Joyce, fell in the men's race, but got up and finished, 15 seconds out of first place.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good result for Ireland though!
It was a shame Pauli fell, but I didn't get to see his run, unfortunately.


S
post #7 of 18
It looked to me like she got her weight back and then her ski tried to carve, she overcompensated-down she goes.
post #8 of 18
She got too much weight on the inside (her left) ski, and was a bit too far forward at the same time, and the left ski hooked to the left on her, but only far enough to throw her into the back seat. She then ended up hard on ther right edges, with her feet too far away from her, and her feet slid out from under her while her body had started to move to the right.

It was an odd fall. When I saw it the first time, in real speed, I thought she had just given up, and made a quick left turn to check her speed, then was going to ski out to the right, but just sort of fell over. In slow mothion, you could see her left ski hook, and her right was weightless.

The only way she might have been able to save herself from a fall would have been to just sideslip to the right and just about come to a stop. At that point her thoughts were probably to risk it all for a chance at keeping some speed, but it didn't work and she went over on her side.
post #9 of 18
Thanks JohnH for the MA
I watched the clip several times with my Wife and her first thing was "back seat" I saw the left foot hook out too and thought edge catch or weight forward and then getting thrown in back seat and the rest was history. Maybe she was trying too hard to adjust her line and a Rut caught her?
post #10 of 18
dchan,

I've only seen it in real speed once and in slow motion once, so I didn't get a chance to look for things like ruts, that may have been the root cause.
post #11 of 18
I have only seen it once, but it looked like her body moved to the right quickly maybe because the left ski hooked and the result was that she was on the uphill edge of her right ski.
post #12 of 18
Hi Wear the fox hat?

I'm no expert by any means, but my perception was that the mens DH was much more difficult then the women's DH. From what I could glean off the TV coverage I perceived the following:

1. Race was held at a entirely different mountain and the course was rock hard ice.
2. Whole course was extremely steep right from the start.
3. No glider sections to rest or ride on flat skies.
4. Lots of high speed technical gates and turning in areas that have FALL AWAY and odd pitches.
5. A number of BLIND gates. A perfect line was required to maintain speed and make the next gate.
6. Long steep jumps with lots of air time. Loose your form in the air and your done for.
post #13 of 18
I agree HarryO, but why, if the men were really going for it, did more of them not crash?


S

P.S. It was the same mountain, just slightly different pistes.
post #14 of 18
Probably just a lucky day for all the participants along with some incredibly strong legs and talent. I suspect that a fair number of racers with high bib numbers just wanted to survive the course so they could race another day and enjoy the moment. The consequences of falling at high speeds can definitely be career ending!
post #15 of 18
JohnH, good analysis. This fall is a perfect illustration as to why FIS have limited the side cut on skis. With more aggressive sidcuts we would have many more of these falls with increased injuries.
post #16 of 18
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wear the fox hat ?:
I agree HarryO, but why, if the men were really going for it, did more of them not crash?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what I saw, it was not a particularly fast race course. Top speeds, except for the last pitch through the finish line, were in the 60-70 mph range. Therefore mistakes could be recovered from. Also, the course, except for a few spots that got some washboards, was awfully smooth. It made the skiers all look like they were doing 25mph. But where the course was not so smooth, it wasn't in critically dangerous sections. People might lose their line a bit, but they wouldn't crash. And because they weren't going through those sections at warp-scary speeds, the washboards weren't enough to throw their skis off.
post #17 of 18
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lucky:
I have only seen it once, but it looked like her body moved to the right quickly maybe because the left ski hooked and the result was that she was on the uphill edge of her right ski.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, that's what I saw too. If she hadn't gotten thrown too far inside that right ski, she may have been able to recover, although with little to no speed left. As it worked out, because she was too far inside, she just ended up on her side.

This is quite a common reason for falling. However the more common results are either a) falling over on the left hip, or b) getting launched over the bars as the left ski continues left and the body continues down the hill.

The fact that she was able to get off the left edge of the left ski is purely a testiment to her quickness, agility (same thing?) and power.
post #18 of 18
Whenever one of the skiers falls, the BBC or Eurosport commentators always says it's because there was too much weight on the uphill/inside ski.

No different from ski school, really.
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