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What to buy for powder skis?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
I'm planning to take advantage of the end-of-season sales to add a powder ski to the quiver. From searching around here, I've pretty much narrowed it down to Atomic Sugar Daddys or Volkl Gotamas. In part, because everything else I own is either Atomic or Volkl. I'm not going to be able to demo, so I'm hoping for some advice. I'm 5'6", about 165 lbs and I ski fast, making long, GS turns when they're not pointed straight down. But I do like to hit the steep and deep powder in the trees sometimes and that's what these would be for. I did ok on powder out west this year on my AC4s in 163cm, but I'd like more float. I'm not looking for a ski that will do it all as these would rarely be used, if at all, in the east. Thanks!
post #2 of 29
at your weight and where you ski at the 176cm Gotama would be best for you. The Sugar daddy will own you in bumpier terrain is unless you much better skier than me. Also the Gotama kick the sugars butt in tight tree.
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thank you for the reply. Do you really think I should go that long though? I was going to try 170cm when I demoed the AC4 and they talked me into the 163.....no regrets there. They did have both sizes in stock at the time. I was thinking the Gotamas in 168cm would be a little easier to manouver without giving up much, if any, speed.
post #4 of 29
I'm 10 lbs heavier than you after demoing earlier this year would have chosen the 190 if Gotamas were on my shopping list.

Don't think about going shorter than the 176...remember they have a twin tip so they will ski shorter than something with a flat tail...
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by eric496 View Post
Thank you for the reply. Do you really think I should go that long though? I was going to try 170cm when I demoed the AC4 and they talked me into the 163.....no regrets there. They did have both sizes in stock at the time. I was thinking the Gotamas in 168cm would be a little easier to manouver without giving up much, if any, speed.
Unless your a Jockey in the summer 168 will be way too short. For soft snow longer is definitely better because it provides stability. The Goats are twintips--ski short--and are not all that demanding. I have heard the Sugars are a different story.
post #6 of 29
If this is going to be an "east" powder ski and you will be in the woods and soft bump with it <170, if this will be your "west" ski >170.

I would toss the 169 Seth in the picture too.
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by eric496 View Post
Thank you for the reply. Do you really think I should go that long though? I was going to try 170cm when I demoed the AC4 and they talked me into the 163.....no regrets there. They did have both sizes in stock at the time. I was thinking the Gotamas in 168cm would be a little easier to maneuver without giving up much, if any, speed.
I use to think the same thing(small skis rocked!!) but the 176 will probably be more manuvable than the 168 cause you will be more up in the snow. In fact I would say man up and ski the 183 if you got another size from the 176s . even back east 168 would be outta of the question for me, 176 maybe 183 probably. I am think about the 190s for next year and weight only 5-10lb more than you.

tromano can vouch for the powder quickness of the gotamas, its not that trees out here arent as tight as eastern tree is just that where they are that tight noone goes in there....except for bushwacker.

FYI IMO the Sugar daddy should be the last ski on your list for an eastern powder/tree ski.

Other skis worth mentioning

Fat skis
169 Seth(longer than 169 really more like 174)
173 Icelandic Shaman(have skied on it loved it for what it was better for your needs than the gotama)
177 Rossi Scratch BC
177 Nordica Enforcer
174 K2 PEs little skinnier but no slouch in tight places and in soft snow oh yeah cheap veyr cheap ski.
post #8 of 29
176 Gotamas,no question. though I dont know where youre going to find them in end-of-season deals. Theyll still be a pretty penny
post #9 of 29
Eric,,

BWPA has a good list for you. You might want to add the Line Prophet 100 to that as well or something really specialized like K2 Pontoons in 179. Remeber that in soft snow wider skis are actually easier to pivot and steer.

I also saw a pair of Nordica Beasts on ebay recently in 177CM. I am on those in 188 and they are pretty nice as an all around UT ski.
post #10 of 29
If you are serious about a dedicated powder ski & want to taste the future a bit, consider Pontoons. Great deal at...

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=80534

I know folks here are skeptical about rockered skis, but these things are beyond fun in deeper snow. And still manageable in cutup and on groomers. I have Gotamas for days where I'm not sure what I'm facing or what I'll be doing -- but these days if I know I'm looking at 4+ inches of new, I usually have been taking out the Pontoons... For example: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=80524 (I'm in the red jacket on Pontoons. everyone else is on boards ranging from 90 to 115 at the waist...)

Disclaimer: OK, I'm making a shameless plug for Chris - but he's a good guy & it is a great deal...
post #11 of 29
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If you are serious about a dedicated powder ski & want to taste the future a bit, consider Pontoons.
Or pre-order some 175 or 185 Praxis Powders for delivery this fall.
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Or pre-order some 175 or 185 Praxis Powders for delivery this fall.
+1. 400 bucks for a custom ski can't be beaten.
post #13 of 29
I have a pair of 180cm Big Stix 86 i would sell you cheap if interested. At your weight they would be good in powder and actually rail hardpack fairly well--Not as wide as some of the others mentioned but at your weight would give good float. PM me if interested.
post #14 of 29
I'm on the Praxis list as well (sigh)... But I have a pretty decent idea of what I'm getting into & why. Strange as it might sound, the Pontoons are a bit more of an incremental step. They are big fun in deeper/soft snow - but when you want/need they lay over on edge & carve better than most folks would believe - not always great, but very do-able in any kind of soft snow. And you can have them in your hands ASAP in case you still have an off chance shot at some powder the last weeks of this season - or if someone might be heading toward South America or NZ this "summer"...

I think the general message is if you are serious about a modern dedicated powder ski - and especially one for skiing trees, etc. - don't be afraid to go pretty darn fat and to jump into reverse camber/rocker territory.

Oh, one credible negative I've heard about the Pontoons is that the uber-big tips are a hassle for some smaller people. If you have a naturally narrow stance you might clank those 160 tips together a bit.

And yes, the Praxis offer is a rocking deal...
post #15 of 29
Take a look at the Dynastar Legend Pro . A very versatile and useful ski. Wide, firm, a lifted tail . Yum
post #16 of 29
As usual, you could throw a snowball at any of these skis and not make a bad choice. Except maybe the Pontoon
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
As usual, you could throw a snowball at any of these skis and not make a bad choice. Except maybe the Pontoon
I take it you did not care for the Pontoons when you tried them at Steamboat? Oh wait... :
post #18 of 29
You honestly can't go wrong with a Gotama. I'd say a 183, but I'm pretty biased toward longer skis. I definetly wouldn't go any shorter than 176 tho. A shorter ski will be easier to muscle around, but if you know what you're doing it will only be a hinderance.
post #19 of 29
Spindrift:

Pontoons AND Praxis?

you got some DP Lotus 138's in that quiver, too?



I'll second the reverse camber skis as sweet tree runners. I have some Spats and you can whip those through tight spots like nobody's business. A bit specialized, though, as I've only run mine 4 days out of 30 this season.

My only advice is not to be afraid of a little extra length. I bought a cache of 177cm skis last season and this season I've ditched those for skis ranging 180 - 185.

Also, as other before me have pointed out, skis like the Goat and the Rossi Scratch BC ski shorter than their advertised length due to the exaggerated tip and tail upturns (a 185 Scratch BC is really more like a 177 in terms of contact length).
post #20 of 29
My recomendation would be for a 183 SD between the two skis you posted. The sugar is an amazingly fun ski with a lot of energy. It is definetly nice and nimble so you can take it through the trees when the open spaces start to get tracked. The tip is soft enough to provide good float and easy turn initiation while the ski is stiff underfoot, to provide some good crud busting power, and then softer again in the tail making the ski more forgiving than some of the skis out there.

HOWEVER, this is only between the 2 skis you posted. IF you are looking for a powder only ski I would suggest the atomic thug (or big daddy if your feeling like speed) or the Volkl sumo. These are both much bigger skis and make a lot more sense in a powder ski portion of the quiver. They both have decent sidecuts and constructions which will make them manageble on groomers and in crud but will perform far far better in a powder ski capacity. IF you already have all mountain skis, there is NO REASON AT ALL to get skis like the gots and sugar daddys, both of which are more of an all mountain with a powder bias rather than pure powder skis.
post #21 of 29
My choice would be the Goat's over the SD because I like woodies...
post #22 of 29
Go longer. The hard snow/shorter ski maneuverability factor doesn't hold as much value in softer snow where float is important.

I'm 5'9" 170. I ride a 183 gotama in tight trees a few days a week. I haul ass too. I ssoooo wish I would have bought a 190. they would be even EASIER to whip around. Float is key to maneuverability, imo. there is a reason manufacturers are making pow skis over the 190 cm length again, and it's not because we all go to alaska or got any taller.

A challenge along the lines of HS (as if I could live up to that enigma); If there is anyone my size who prefers a shorter pow ski for tight trees, let's race when I get my 190+'s.

oh... I like woodies too... they sure as hell do last. (my gotama is first generation and still rocking.)
post #23 of 29
I have a pair of 176 goats in good condition if you want them .
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
As usual, you could throw a snowball at any of these skis and not make a bad choice. Except maybe the Pontoon
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
I take it you did not care for the Pontoons when you tried them at Steamboat? Oh wait... :
Some things posted, just make me smile!
post #25 of 29
Thread Starter 
Wow, thanks for all the replies and for the great advice! I definitely would have bought too short and would have been dissapointed. Pdxammo, I sent you a PM about the Goats.
post #26 of 29
Wait a second -- did the Bears just tell someone to buy longer, wider skis?

No one suggests a Metron?

Is this place turning into TGR without the profanity?



post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Wait a second -- did the Bears just tell someone to buy longer, wider skis?

No one suggests a Metron?
Is this place turning into TGR without the profanity?
@#$$% off!

I'm one of those Metron skiers, but agree he should go long. I steer clear of those short ones just because of powder. I find if annoying to see the tips pop out of the powder if you sit back a second, and find it downright irritating to go over the tips when I'm skiing the shark fin drifts at the edge of the trees.
post #28 of 29
Fellas, Eric is 5'6" and lives in NH...you guys started out sane but are going way over the top with some of these suggestions...who suggested Big Daddys?? :

Anyway, stick to these quality suggestions
176 Gotama...MAYBE 183
169 Seth
173 Sugar Daddy
177 Nordica Enforcer
176 Legend Pro might not be bad
178 Scratch BC might work too


The gotama is probably the most versatile...so buy pdxammo's
post #29 of 29
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@#$$% off!
Thank goodness -- now I feel at home.
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