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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
My 10 year old weighs only 55lbs and is 4'4" but has just turned into an all mountains skier. He just went from a 'slippy, slidey' turner to a decent carver. Snooping around for year end deals and thinking he'll move from his too short 120s to a 135-140 range next season, what options are worth pondering? He is interested in twin tips, but I'm seeing him as a powder, crud, bumps and steep groomer skier. He definitely keeps eyeballing the park skiing, but hopefully we'll get at least another year of honing his skiing skills before the inevitable trick skiing starts. From what I've gather so far, that in his size the skis are a 'intermediate' level ski versus a better performance ski. Any help to expedite the kid gear learning curve would be appreciated.

TIA
post #2 of 28
K2 Juvy would be a nice ski for him. Also the Salomon Fish.
post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks. According to this thread, the Juvy are 'kiddy skis' as it appears the Mojo 65s and the Dynastar AC Jr. Is it basically a coin toss between all of these (and other options) or are there performance differences to consider?

Do you suggest these due to his light weight vs the others mentioned in the thread? If so, what weight (and height) would be the 'transition point'?

Thanks again,
post #4 of 28
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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
Thanks. According to this thread, the Juvy are 'kiddy skis' as it appears the Mojo 65s and the Dynastar AC Jr. Is it basically a coin toss between all of these (and other options) or are there performance differences to consider?

Do you suggest these due to his light weight vs the others mentioned in the thread? If so, what weight (and height) would be the 'transition point'?

Thanks again,
I'd say somewhere around 70 lbs. is where I'd want to move. Of course it also depends on skill level and strength. The K2 and the Salomon are a little stronger than some of the others like the Dogen Jr., Supercharger Jr., and some others. I teach a seasonal program of ripping kids and it's interesting to see how equipment works for them. I had one kid who had a pair of Dynastar Sweet Troubles and had a really hard time with them. They skied her, not the other way around, a pair of K2 Missy's did wonders for her. On the other hand I had a boy who was really overpowering his kiddie skis and made a big leap forward on the Troubled Youths (same ski as Sweet Trouble).
post #5 of 28
Perfect ski would be the kids Volkl Race Tiger SL. Not the racestock version. They make a softer version. It's a great real ski. Do not get something like the kids Dogen.
post #6 of 28
My twins are in the same height and weight range as your son. They're big for their age, though, so they're just shy of seven. They actually weigh exactly the same as each other and your son, but one is a 4'4" stringbean and the other is a 4'1" linebacker. They are both pretty good carvers (although the shorter one is much better at getting his weight forward and really carving), and are spending most of their time on black and double-black terrain. (Yes, I'm a proud papa.)

They both have quivers -- one shorter carving ski, one longer and fatter twin tip for soft snow days. The shorter one's quiver this year is 110 Volkl Vertigo Jrs and 119 K2 Juvys. The taller one skis 120 Rossignol Xis and 131 Fischer Riu Jrs. They have not had durability problems with any of these skis, despite the fact that they're skiing tough terrain fast, dropping 6-8 footers, and can't get enough of hitting kickers in the park.

So I wouldn't worry about durability of the Juvy.

FWIW, though, I've said it before and I'll say it again: I think that the K2 Apache Junior is a fantastic all-around kids ski. My nine-year-old daughter moved from the aforementioned Rossis to the 136 Apache Jr last February, and literally in a single day, made a quantum leap in her skill set and willingness to take risks. They were so good that when REI cleared out the 05/06 models last summer for $75, I bought two more pairs -- 146 and 153 -- for when she outgrows them. My understanding is that there are only cosmetic changes (and minor ones at that) between the 05/06 and the 06/07, but the earlier models are substantially lesser skis (at least in shorter lengths). In a nutshell, you'd want the black ones.

Other good options include the Rossi Bandit Jr.
post #7 of 28
I bought these for my 10 year old daughter. I got them in 140. She is now 59 inches tall(now wish I would have gone with 150s). They seem to be a step up from the normal beginner kids ski. They have helped her improve quite a bit. I don't know why Volkl didn't make them this year. But last years are cheap if you can find the right size.

http://www.untracked.com/p559c19b53-...jr_racing.html

http://www.freestyleonline.com/istar...3DALPHADESC%26
post #8 of 28
My 10 years old boy (155cm tall) has been happy with rossi scratch FS Pro this year. There is a BC version too, really fat.
I've also heard good things about the Troubled Youth.
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
....FWIW, though, I've said it before and I'll say it again: I think that the K2 Apache Junior is a fantastic all-around kids ski. My nine-year-old daughter moved from the aforementioned Rossis to the 136 Apache Jr last February, and literally in a single day, made a quantum leap in her skill set and willingness to take risks. They were so good that when REI cleared out the 05/06 models last summer for $75, I bought two more pairs -- 146 and 153 -- for when she outgrows them. My understanding is that there are only cosmetic changes (and minor ones at that) between the 05/06 and the 06/07, but the earlier models are substantially lesser skis (at least in shorter lengths). In a nutshell, you'd want the black ones....
I bought these for my son last summer, too (same deal, $75 at REI). They are 153s ... he is almost 5'6" (well, that was a week ago, might be taller by now, sheesh) and about 110 lb. They have been GREAT skis. He takes them everywhere, at all speeds, and is comfortable as can be.

I don't really know that much about junior skis, so I can't compare, but I'll second the recommendation on these.
post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 
Great suggestions and a lot to cipher. The wood core of the Apache Jr and some others is appealing.

An added wrinkle is that with the kid's Pure coming out next season, and trying to ratchet up the BC experience, I'm also wondering if the Pure will be a reasonable on and off piste binding and the ski weight is a real factor to consider.
post #11 of 28
I'll second the Bandit Jr.

My son is 9, 50lbs, 4' 5". He's on the Rossi Bandit Jr. (green one that looks just like dad's B-Squad) in 118cm and love's it.
post #12 of 28
I will third the bandit jr. My 7 year old son is about 4'6" and 62lbs. He was on the 128 length and loved it. He could really ski about anything on it.
post #13 of 28
Thread Starter 
Any insights on the Rossi Scratch Jr compared to the other suggestions?

TIA
post #14 of 28
I don't have any personal experience w/that model, but I would think it a very viable option.
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
Any insights on the Rossi Scratch Jr compared to the other suggestions?

TIA
AFAIK the FS Jr is a wooden ski, narrower (70mm) and softer than the FS Pro (80mm) that my kid used. It's aimed at younger skiers (and avalaible in shorter sizes), but a nice ski nonetheless. (Second hand infos)
At 70mm and with a rather wide radius (longer than the Pro) it's maybe more "freestyle" than really "all moutain" though.
So, from Rossignol, I would rather choose the FS Pro. (err, wait... I did !).

And, just to reiterate, my boy tried and liked too the Dynastar Troubled Youth (another all moutain twintips), that I found nicely built (wood core, sandwich, nice flex...).
post #16 of 28
Thread Starter 

"I love these skis! They're awesome!"

After skiing steep corn, manky bumps, icy groomers,, slush, dry crud, half pipe, kickers, etc, and a non-stop, high speed, nicely turned screamer down the infamous 'Plunge', I have been duly informed we are getting the '70mm waisted, Scratch Pros' for next season (or for a continuation of this one).



From a friend's shop, he let us test drive some rental 128cm 'Scratch Pros' that are not 80mm wide. Older models??? Rehgardless, the confidence soared going to the 10cm longer ski and he was ecstatic after a days anticipation and half a run!

Interesting discussion I had yesterday regarding kid's boards. Apparently, many ski companies have their kid's skis made in Spain, possible by the same manufacturer, possibly K2??? Going through the drill, showing my son the options that have been graciously offered, it sounds like it's more about graphics than any substantial differences between the skis. Comparing the Rossi Scratch 'Pros' next to a pair of Public Enemies, the proportions were very similar. One of the appeals to my little ripper, is the small 'twin tip' versus the flat tails.
post #17 of 28
70mm, that would be the Scratch Jr, not the Pro. There are the Jr, the Pro and the Pro BC, (70, 80 and 90mm)
And yes, Rossi has a huge factory in Spain, mainly (AFAIK) for snowboards and Jr skis. K2 is in China.
post #18 of 28
Thread Starter 
FWLIW and for whatever reason these say 'Scratch Pro' on the tails and measure 70mm at the waist. (105-70-89) and don't have the same graphics I've seen on any of the models over the last two years. The size was an obvious improvement and comparable to many of the suggested skis. I would like to get him on a the current Scratch Pro to see how he responds to the wider waist. Doubt it's possible for now. I'll keep my eye out for them.

Out of curiosity, does Rossi make kid skis for other companies?
post #19 of 28
I don't know.
I know that Quicksiler, new owner of Rossi is closing plants in France to move the major part of Rossignol production in Spain, but I don't know if they're working for other brands.
post #20 of 28
I think he might be better off with that 70mm model. The 80mm ski might be the heavier sandwich type ski. I'm not really up on my Rossi kiddie skis as they don't have much presence here.
post #21 of 28
Thread Starter 
The 70mm waist seems like the call....for now anyway. If I buy now, come next season I can 'rationalize' another, wider ski. :

Thanks!

(Truth be told, I'd bet if I put him on just about any ski of comparable size, he'd have had the same reaction. )
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
I think he might be better off with that 70mm model. The 80mm ski might be the heavier sandwich type ski. I'm not really up on my Rossi kiddie skis as they don't have much presence here.
Yes, the 80mm looks like a regular Scratch Sprayer FS (ie both are sandwich) but shorter (and cheaper). I don't know for sure if that's the same construction inside, but it really looks like it.
post #23 of 28
Thread Starter 

Same question 1 1/2 years later

We ended up with the Bandit Jr and he loved them.

Now hovering a bit over 70 lbs, it's time for the next pair. The Scratch Pro (80 mm waist) still seems to be a good option. Any other comparables? The Troubled Youths? The Armada Vodas?

The K2 Apache still looks appealing, but with the 65 mm waist, I'm wondering if it's still a good option.

TIA
post #24 of 28
Don't buy the current Apache Jr. That's now the model name for the beginner ski.

At 70 pounds, my daughter didn't have much trouble staying on top of pow of the classic Apache Jrs. That said, I still paired them with a pair of K2 MiniEnemies the following season, for kicks.

Her younger brothers skied 118 and 128 Bandit Jrs last season and loved them too, skiing them even on days when I'd have expected them to go twin. If he loves the Bandits, why not bump up a size?

If you're looking for a twin, though, I'd include the Line Invader/Celebrity Mini on the list of skis to look at. My daughter skied these mounted tele in 143 last year, and they're the best made junior ski I've ever seen.

For this season, my boys will be in the high-60 pound range, and their probable quiver will be the 128 Bandit Jrs for the shorter and the 136 K2 Apache Jrs for the taller (unless I decide that the daughter completely shredded those, in which case he'll get the 136 K2 Mach SLs I bought for backup), paired with either the 128 Mantra Jr or 129 Bad Seed, and the 139 Bad Seed for the taller.
post #25 of 28
couple of thoughts...

1) The Bandit Jr has now been replaced by the Rossi Phantom (an excellent ski)

2) My son skied the Line Celebrities this past season in the B mogul circuit (10 years old) and really liked them for skiing, but he kept ripping the bindings out of them. Seems they're very thin and don't have much meat to screw the bindings into. Still a well made ski though...

Therefore, this upcoming season he'll be on the Phantoms.
post #26 of 28
I agree with alpinedad about the bandits. If he liked them, just get a longer size (if you can find them). My son is 9, about 4'7", 75 lbs, very strong and was on the 128 bandit jr most of last season. I had already bought him a 138 bandit jr and he tried it out a few days toward the end of the season and skied them fine. In fact he said they were more stable for him. He will be on those this year until he grows into the 149 K2 Bad Seed I have waiting. The bad seed is a twin, so I imagine it skis shorter than listed size. He tried out the 139 bad seed last year on 2 deep snow days and loved them. They seem quite a bit more ski to me just by flexing them than the bandits.

BTW, I bought the 138 bandits off ebay last year for $70 (with demo bindings included).
post #27 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies.

Keeping the same ski has been in the back of my mind as well. To start the season with familiar skis, building on last year's confidence level is appealing....as in not developing a habit of getting the latest and greatest every year.
post #28 of 28
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The bad seed is a twin, so I imagine it skis shorter than listed size.
... but it's a K2, which means it's longer than other brands at the same listed size.
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