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post #61 of 101
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franknj229:
Whoops. Nevermind. This was originally a sarcastic comment about Slider's post, because when I responded all I saw was a blank space. It wasn't until after I posted my reply that the picture popped up.

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So you were going to make a sarcastic comment on...nothing? :
post #62 of 101
Boarders for Jesus. Hmmm, there's a thought.

Sorry! Just couldn't resist!
post #63 of 101
The scary part is "bring:...silly putty".
post #64 of 101
I couldn't resist since it's in Fernie. Just a little wrench in the gears to distract the on-going agenda.
Snowboarding doesn't effect me. Just like low-skilled drivers. I don't let it.
post #65 of 101
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franknj229:
Hey Gonzo, I'm just curious.....are you originally from NJ, or do you just have a really detailed map in front of you? If so, where exactly do you put the line that marks the top of Central Jersey, and the bottom of Northern Jersey? You know, in case I have to give someone directions.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I went to law school in NJ, clerked for a judge in the NJ state courts, and worked for a firm in Morristown NJ while living in New Vernon and Morristown. The various folks I know in NJ advised me pretty well uniformly that Northern New Jersey begins at Essex & Morris counties and goes north. But as a practical matter, I tend to think about it this way.

Most NJ residents identify with another state, for reasons I never understand. Perhaps it's the issue of professional sports teams? I wouldn't know, as I don't follow professional sports. Anyway, in this theory of mine, South Jersey is any part of the state where most people identify with Philadelphia. North Jersey is any part of the state where most people identify with NYC.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franknj229:
Oh, and where is "Freddy's"? Do you mean "Friday's"? Or is Freddy's in the not-so-nice part of Somerset, which I'm obviously not familiar with?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Freddy's is in Bernardsville. There's another bar closer to you that is full of the Range Rover/Preppy Handbook/Izod/Polo/Coach/Ann Taylor set, but I can't remember the name.

Do you ever go to the Tewks?
post #66 of 101
If Alta, Deer Valley, Taos and some others want to ban snowboarders what's the problem. There plenty of other places for them to ride. I wish some areas were only open to knuckle draggers.
I tried to be more tolerant where I ski, but I am tired of being hit, (5 times by draggers in the past two years. Once by a skier in 10 years) tired or going around them in the entrance or exit of a lift, tired of seeing trails blocked, tired of having all the snow scraped out of a great chute, and tired of "the attitude."
post #67 of 101
Instead of banning all snowboarders, can we just ban "Snowboarders for Christ" from our mountains? :
post #68 of 101
Here's a good place for them Todd.

And this looks like a good place for you.
post #69 of 101
Hmmm - I've done sand dune skiing, wasn't quite that explosive though.

That does look like hell for skiers! In your divine judgement I belong on the bristle eh? Must have been that teamsters/mob crack awhile back . . . . [img]tongue.gif[/img]

That skier in the photo must have tucked from the top in order to get that one high angle turn in!
post #70 of 101
Wow I can't believe this post is still going on......

I have something I want to add - I think the ski resorts need to add a new "rule" to the "code of skier/snowboarder conduct"

NO SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HILL!!!!!!

Yesterday I went skiing and it was a very busy day. At one point I came over the rise of a run and saw not one but three snow boarders sitting at approx. 6 foot intervals across the middle of the hill. Now this wouldn't be a problem if like skiers they could stand up and stay in one spot but they can't (at least it appears that way). They stand up and go without looking back so it is very risky to try to ski past them. It was amazing.

Why when ppl(snowboarders or skiers) want to stop and rest/assess the run/wait for a friend can't they stop along the side of the run?

I think it's far more important for ppl to be "aware" (skiers/snowboarders) than what they choose to use to get down the hill.
post #71 of 101
I don't know what the Silly Puddy(tm) is all about. Might ask a boarder? Hope there's nothing going on at Fernie when the Bears are there. I like your dream. In 1964 I SandSurfed on the Oregon coast with the front end of a water ski cut-off. After cutting off the front we would fiberglass the board then melt wax on the top and scraped the bottom with a bar we carried. Once in awhile there would be a small pond at the bottom of a sand hill and we would slide down the hill and across the water. Sometimes. Other times you would crash as you hit the water,which was almost as much fun. 2 months till Fernie!
post #72 of 101
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sugar Snack:


I think it's far more important for ppl to be "aware" (skiers/snowboarders) than what they choose to use to get down the hill.
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post #73 of 101
On lord, Slider, I just saw your sand dune pictures, and this is weird.Had this dream last night.
I was at my PC and suddenly there's this vibration. The screen turns to snow, then the colors go all psychodelic. Then the computer goes dead. I go outside to ski, but Im in aome futuristic world where snow no longer exists.
So I'm skiing on sand!

BTW what the heck does silly putty have to do with boafers for Jesus?
post #74 of 101
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pierre eh!:
Llama, Perfect North is owned by people who don't like boarders and have tons of skiers. They are the only game in town near Cincinnati and turn a total deaf ear.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, Pierre eh!, it looks like they've seen the light or gone over to the dark side. According to their web site today, boards will be allowed starting Feb 1. It will be interesting to see what happens.

I doubt it will affect me, because I ski there mid-week only; it's already way too crowded on the weekends. I hesitate to think of the carnage on Saturdays now.

They tried it for a few days in March, last year, but then went back to skiers only for this season. I guess it's still possible it won't stick, and they'll go back to skis and skiboards only.

Steve
post #75 of 101
Steve,
Don't count on PNS going back to skiers and ski boards. The story I heard is that Clyde Perfect, the owner, has retired and moved to Florida. His son and another person are running the show. The sons kids are boarders and so is the other manager. I have a Thursday pass and can only ski at night. I seriously doubt if I'll get a pass next year. If they don't control the boarders any better than the skiers I won't be back.
Kathi
post #76 of 101
SEE! SEE! WHAT WE MEAN. THEY ARE EVEN SCREWING UP THE SAND DUNES!!
post #77 of 101
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike B:
Well, I just came back from the ski resort (well, not really), and I swear if I see any more sideslipping boarders I'm goin to be sick! I saw this one boarder sideslip an entire run (which was gladed w/ moguls no doubt because of people like him) and displace a lot of snow, and it was also quite obvious he was not very skilled (unless they consider it skillful to sideslip) so it was probably the only way he could get down.

The sad thing about this occurence is that it will never stop, especially since new boarders are taught how to sideslip, and from what I've heard instructors do nothing to stop it.
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ayup. I"m ready to throttle a boarding young (21)relative of mine who straightlines and scrapes everything. He had to be taught what turning across the fall line was from his little cousing. "hey, I'm into speed" His excuse for not knowing how to turn. I ask him when he's going to learn to carve that thing. "Huh, why should I do that?"<sigh> And then he complains that the condition are crappy 'cuz he can't handle them. I, being the nice person I am, have offered to pop for some privates, IF he's willing to learn (he says yes.) So we'll see.

Irulan
post #78 of 101
This week is National Safety Week. Out here in Wail we have a huge emphasis on safety with extra high profile badges, banners, stickers, free onslope give aways, yellow jackets in the lift lines giving out the code and even speed cameras with large on slope readouts to get the message across

Does anyone care???

I was clipped by a "radcoolclothesandtools" boarder right at the bottom of the hill. He continued past and then crash turned on the entry to the ski bridge home. This is at 3:30pm on a 10 ft wide bridge. As I skiied past I said calmly "has anyone ever told you that your an idiot". Anyway as I was saying goodbye to my private lesson this big attitude comes barging in and reads my name tag and says "Okay ....... I have your name I am reporting you to your supervisor" I said hang on a minute and as he starts raving away I calmly hand him my card and so "go right ahead ..... you idiot". My clients applauded loudly and he slunk away. It does not matter what the law or the resorts do the world is full of them ... idiots on ski tools.

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post #79 of 101
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Originally Posted by uncle crud
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franknj229:
Hey Gonzo, I'm just curious.....are you originally from NJ, or do you just have a really detailed map in front of you? If so, where exactly do you put the line that marks the top of Central Jersey, and the bottom of Northern Jersey? You know, in case I have to give someone directions.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I went to law school in NJ, clerked for a judge in the NJ state courts, and worked for a firm in Morristown NJ while living in New Vernon and Morristown. The various folks I know in NJ advised me pretty well uniformly that Northern New Jersey begins at Essex & Morris counties and goes north. But as a practical matter, I tend to think about it this way.

Most NJ residents identify with another state, for reasons I never understand. Perhaps it's the issue of professional sports teams? I wouldn't know, as I don't follow professional sports. Anyway, in this theory of mine, South Jersey is any part of the state where most people identify with Philadelphia. North Jersey is any part of the state where most people identify with NYC.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franknj229:
Oh, and where is "Freddy's"? Do you mean "Friday's"? Or is Freddy's in the not-so-nice part of Somerset, which I'm obviously not familiar with?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Freddy's is in Bernardsville. There's another bar closer to you that is full of the Range Rover/Preppy Handbook/Izod/Polo/Coach/Ann Taylor set, but I can't remember the name.

Do you ever go to the Tewks?
So where do we put Monmouth, Middlesex, Somerset and Hunterdon?

Just call me curious along the Raritan and Bayside...

Kaj
post #80 of 101
nice one.
post #81 of 101
This thread has gotten a little off. It's like the sheep herders vs. the cattlemen. The sheep eat too close to the roots leaving the ground barren leaving nothing for the cattle to graze on. But, apart from that strange thought. I've been knocked down by skiers before and fallen badly from scrubbed off slopes turned to smooth concrete from riders scrubbing off speed at the base of a trail. What's the big deal. Don't these snowsports carry an inherent element of danger?

What I would like to see is that everyone learn to carve to control speed. I've had some beautiful carving experiences following a snowboarder carving not down a black or blue trail, but, down a green trail.

Tips up
post #82 of 101
nobody that rides or skis with competence likes seeing a snowboarder or skier side-slipping down a slope.
being a skier until 15 years ago, i do though take offense at the skiers that think snowboarding is any easier then skiing. snowboarding is more about balance. come on... younger kids are taught to ski before they are able to snowboard. its like saying that riding a tricycle is harder then riding a bike.
when i ride i see many skiers standing on slopes. just like i see many boarders sitting on slopes. no difference.
the people that think its cool to spray people sitting on the slopes are idiots. how do you not know that they might be possibly injured or just had a wipe out and are pulling themselves together before they procede?
do you think its cool to spray someone that might be hurt?
anyways the more people sitting on the hill just means less people in the lift line.
post #83 of 101
I'll add to what Utah49 wrote. My season pass resort has lots of steeps and is also a hotbed of boarders. I don't have any problem with most of them the way they ride down the hill. The ones that side slip down steep powder slopes and steeps need to be skewered by their peers. And the ones that Z or diagonal across advanced powder slopes on fresh days ought to be condemned by all else on the slopes in order to be pressured into more considerate behavior. If those warnings fails they ought to be simply banned. There are a great number of enthusiastic skiers and boarders that take their powder very seriously so their is no room for those that choose to waste it selfishly.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=34850

I'm a bump skier too and there are always some boarders going down our bumps. Especially where terrain funnels all upper steeps into narrower gullies. I've long heard complaints mainly from skiers with at best mediocre bump technique that boarders ruin bumps and that is why they aren't worth skiing anymore or why they suck and can't ski them. I usually just smile then smoke the fall line down the slope showing how wrong that is. Scraping the lower steep end of moguls by either skis or boards actually makes them easier to ski. It is true that too many boarders like they possibly have on some confined Eastern slopes could be a problem I have yet to experience. All in all I welcome not only snowboarders but every other type of contraptions from monoskis to bigfeet.

As to the posted thread question, I do think there ought to be a few resorts that are just for skiing and some for just snowboarding as long as locals in those areas have alternatives. The idea that no resorts ought to limit the type of customer to their resort for reasons of user types is just another kind of mindless political correctness I dislike.

...David
post #84 of 101
As someone who skis Whistler-Blackcomb almost exclusively I would love to see Blackcomb turned over to boarders...I am always amazed at how many of them gripe at the traverses at Whistler, yet they continue to populate the mountain!

As a sidenote, I used to ski Baker frequently in the late 70's and early 80's; till the Boarders arrived!
post #85 of 101
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Originally Posted by Todd Murchison
Most ski areas do not allow snowbikes, most don't allow snowmobiles, most don't allow sledding or inner-tubing on open slopes . . . and etc.
Snowmobiles used by guests at a resort?!! At a ski resort? Are you joking?
I probably don't understand what you're saying, but do you mean you can go to a ski resort and drive around on a snowmobile?! :

Please tell me where, so I can make sure to avoid these places.
post #86 of 101
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Originally Posted by flaviaman
As someone who skis Whistler-Blackcomb almost exclusively I would love to see Blackcomb turned over to boarders...
As someone who skis W/B almost exclusively I would hate to see the public reaction if you effectively banned skiing on Blackcomb.
Is that what you're suggesting??!!! You want no skiing on Blackcomb or you want all of the boarders on both mountains on one?

Aside from missing the killer skiing, we'd also miss the comedy of boarders trying to make it through that narrow part of the Blue Line, just below where Pakalolo, Teetering, etc exit, when conditions aren't perfect.

Next icy day I might set myself up there with a lawn chair and some hot chocolate and just watch the show. Oh, the humanity!
post #87 of 101
This may be only my second season downhill, but i do have many years doing X-Country. In my nordic days, we had the same arguements about the train, esspecially the hills, being ruined by the rude teens.

The real problem, then and now, is the inexperience and or ignorance of the new skiers. Yes, many of the boarders have no conception of how to finesse a trail, but many skiers are the same. I was not a lot better, when i was starting out, downhill. I am by no means a great or even very good alpine skier, but I try to improve on each run. i ski mostly green and easier blue trails. I do not snowplow, unless that is the only move my skill level will allow. I prefer to turn uphill to slowdown or stop. There is nothing more fun than coming over a bump scraped down to the ice and going over the 8" snow berm at the bottom. I have forced my self to learn control, because it is important to me, but many of the younger boarders, i have listened to in line, have no concept of, or care to learn, real control.

I to do not like it when the boarders a sprawled all over the onloading area, or the trail, but i do not own the mountain, so i cannot make the rules.

I would not mind, skier only and boarder only areas on mountains.
post #88 of 101
[quote=Auxcrinier

when a resort says 'no snowboards' they are NOT discriminating against anybody. they're saying 'no, you can't go down that way.' and that is their perfectly reasonable prerogative. snowboarders are people, people aren't snowboarders. this is a trumped up non-issue.


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At Mad River Glen boarders are more than welcome to come up and enjoy. The only requirement is that they must ski. Mad River's policy states that they are not opposed to snowboarding. They simply feel that since their snow is natural and limited, snowboarding does not fit with their skiing policy.

Did you ever ski the lines at MRG? They exist because there are no snowboarders to them screw up.
post #89 of 101
Out here I see just as many skiiers scraping down narrow shots they are afraid to point it through as boarders, of course it's stupid but I accept it as part of skiing a resort. I remember that I too scraped those same spots when I was learning to ski steep terrain. The group I ride with is actually more boarder than skiing, doesn't bother me a bit. Only thing that seems to be getting worse is people stopping to strap in 2 feet from the lift exit, I blame that on the resorts, they should have fences forcing you to clear the exit area before strapping in.
post #90 of 101
At Alta the primary issue is that 99% of the good terrain requires sidestepping or long, difficult traverses to get to. Bootpacking ruins the traverses for everyone else. The traverses there are already a madhouse with skiers of different abilities passing one another going at different speeds - add in snowboarders who would be stuck and it would be a full-on war. Unless you've got a solution for how you're going to traverse uphill on a snowboard... It is just not practical terrain for snowboarding, and the boarders I know who have skied Alta have said that they would not want to be on a board there.


Not to mention the fact that when I ride the lifts with tourists, and I ask how they are enjoying their vacation, the majority of them bring up that they either came to Alta because there are no snowboarders, or that the snow is better without boarders, or some such thing. Between the fact that most snowboarders would not want to ski Alta after they got over the novelty, and that a lot of their customer base would not return if they did allow boarders, it would be a bad business decision to change their policy.
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