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Intution liners are hurting my feet like mad!!!

post #1 of 15
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During my trip to Jackson I picked up some intuition liners from Pepi's. I was fitted on Saturday, we used toe caps and stocking and some foam on my pressure point areas.

I have the flex of my kryptons and cant right where I want them, the stock old liner were comfortable but would loosen over the day and were very cold on days below 25(not even that cold) everything was right. remember guys the enemy of good is better.

Now i have these liners(first heat moldable) and it really hurts to ski in them. The shop said 2-3 days, but now its 5 days bell to bell. They really hurt when teaching beginners(ie lots of walking). I will say they have improve the boot feel, but my questions are, is this pain normal? and will the pain go away? I dont know how many days I can take this before I put the crappy stock liners back in.
post #2 of 15
Welcome to my world. Walking-teaching is agonising.
Sounds like they need adjustment... some judicious grinding by the sounds of it. question is, where to have it done?! You need a boot guy who can work out cause and effect, before butchering your new liners.

You might also want to start alternating liners. Oldies, then newies.
post #3 of 15
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
I will say they have improve the boot feel, but my questions are is this pain normal?
No.



you may want to visit an MD just in case of a microfracture or rockyrobin -style problem
post #4 of 15
Intution liners are great, but they do change the interface between your foot and the boot. The extra foam can introduce new pressure points that weren't there with your original liners. So to answer your question, pain is not normal; it indicates you need some more work done. I went through this with mine. I have high insteps & when I first skied them, the pain was almost crippling because there was too much pressure. The solution was to take them back to the shop and press the offending sections of the liner to relieve the pressure. Sounds like you have something similar going on. The good news is that a trip (or two) to the boot fitter should be enough to fix whatever the problem is.

--geoff
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
but my questions are, is this pain normal? and will the pain go away? I dont know how many days I can take this before I put the crappy stock liners back in.
Definitely not normal.

When I had my Intuitions done I went from ongoing pain to sheer bliss. I also found I was able to ski with my boots more loosely buckled than before but still have a more secure fit than with the buckles cranked on the old liners. I'd suggest you try adjusting the buckles so they are looser than what they used to be before. There's a possibility they simply may be too tight with the new liners. If they're still unbearable, I suggest you get them refit.
post #6 of 15
Not normal at all. Back to the bootfitter.
post #7 of 15
back to the fitter. I have fitted about 50 pair of these and only one went back to a stock liner.

Is it both feet? Where is the pain?
post #8 of 15
Don't ski in painful boots. Ill fitting ski boots caused the bone behind my heel to grow, now all shoes hurt my feet which is not fun. My friend got nasty bunions from shoes that didn't fit. Be careful, it's easy to permanently damage your feet.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
back to the fitter. I have fitted about 50 pair of these and only one went back to a stock liner.

Is it both feet? Where is the pain?


what he said,

where is the pain will help a lot?

better skiing, standing, or with you feet unwieghted (dangling from a chair lift)?

with or without footbeds?

starts as soon as you put on the boots? or after 5 minute? 50 minutes? 5 hours?
post #10 of 15
Just to clarify - are these the Intuition power wraps or the Dalbello-specific ID liners? They're basically the same but I suspect the former are more prone to error than the latter as the Dalbello versions are already molded to the shell.

Anyway, your experinece sounds very similar to my own. I think my problem was that I have an especially tight shell fit and the beefy Intuitions were creating hot spots. (It was however a lot better than the stock liner.)

In the end , I resolved the problem by getting some thermoflexes form here:
http://www.bomberonline.com/store/ac.../hpd_liner.cfm
The Intuitions are great but I think these may be a bit better for a really tight shell fit, though YMMV

But sounds like you should get to a boot fitter who can properly diagnose the source of your problems. Hope it works out - Kryps/thermofits are wonderful once you get them dialed in.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Blue Ox View Post
In the end , I resolved the problem by getting some thermoflexes form here:
http://www.bomberonline.com/store/ac.../hpd_liner.cfm
The Intuitions are great but I think these may be a bit better for a really tight shell fit, though YMMV.
Here's a little secret for you. Thermoflex liners are made by Intuition (at least the Raichle Thermoflexes, anyway). You can get the same basic liner branded as either Intuition or Thermoflex.
post #12 of 15
Yup I know the secret . But these do have a different thickness and consistency
post #13 of 15
Blue Ox is right. I have some Thermoflex Deluxe liners here that I got from Bomber and they are a different design from the Intuitions I have in my AT boots. They feel slightly thicker and softer, and they have poler fleece as the inside lining whereas the new Intuitions have a smooth fabric that is oder- resistant. The liners from Full Tilt are different again, haveing the firmer Intuition closed cell foam on the outside layer and a slightly softer foam on the inside layer. I had a long talk with the marketing director of Full Tilt and he explained it- I meant to take notes for you guys but I'm not that compulsive... you can go to Full Tilt's website and they have a cross-section. Notice the different layers of density as compared to Intuition's single density+ "power wrap" material on the cuff. Intuition makes the hybrid liners exclusively for Full Tilt and they share a patent. I tried to order one from Full Tilt but ran afoul of the website ordering process. The liners can be ordered through the dealers they list if the website won't work for you either.

I ordered from Bomber instead- the plan was to find the best liner (for me) and the only way I could was to actually hold them and inspect them in person. I have Intuitions and I looked at the Full Tilts while in Sun Valley and liked them a lot, but they were only being sold with the boot, so I passed thinking I'd just order them from the website. When that didn't work out I ordered the Thermoflexes from bomber. (I didn't consider the Dalbello Intuition aftermarkets- too thin for me.)
It's a beefy liner with a denser L-wrap around the heels making a nice pocket. I really like what I see here. It has the old Thermoflex logo on it. I meant to have it cooked up and was going to post a comparison, but we had all those powder days and then the season kind of petered out so I'm waiting until next year.

The whole point of this investigation is that I preferred the old Thermoflexes (for my skinny ankles) over the Intuitions and was looking for them. They showed up in variations for AT and Tele boots- and then these Bomber "Deluxe" models that fit snowboard and alpine boots. The Alpine branch of the family tree has lived on in Intuition, Full Tilt and Dalbello.

So- what does this all mean? These are subtle differences. Cooking and fitting is crucial. None of these should hurt. Go over to Alta and see Wally or any of the fitters at Deep Powder House and they should figgure it out....They've been doing these liners for a decade.
post #14 of 15
From your description, Mr. Crab, it sounds like the Full Tilt liners are the same as the old Raichle Thermoflex liners that were made for Raichle by Intuition. I have a pair and love them. The micro-fleece inner liner is great - it's warm, absorbs perspiration, and it grips the foot nice and firmly.
post #15 of 15
You bet- I still have those old Raichles and they are slowly packing out. I'm wearing a thicker sock and extending them as long as I can. That's what started all this research. I actually had an uncooked pair that I'd hoarded and I lost them- they disapeared when I cleaned the basement and moved. Three moves = a fire, they say...
Full Tilt has a nice product. Deep Powder House will carry them next season- they may have some in already...
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