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Praxis Skis 07/08

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This is X-Posted from TGR, I haven’t seen it mentioned yet here and I think it would be a shame to not spread the word. It is another great product from a small ski manufacturer for one heck of a pre-order deal. If you’re looking for a pow specific ski this might just be the deal you’ve been waiting for, and you get to give your support an up and coming ski company instead of a big manufacturer. Keith is a great guy to deal with so check em out:

Praxis Thread

Praxis Thread by Keith

Praxis Skis


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Did anyone get the Praxis Skis? I'm wondering about mount point and suggestions for bindings.
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Lot of people... Supposedly Keith provides mount point info - but I have not gotten the goods yet. Given the nature of the ski it is probably best to stick with the suggested mark (no edge or camber to play engagement games with). The general binding theme seems to be low for smeary turns - so any good freestyle binding. I suspect there will be many Jesters as well as Salomons and Rossis. You'll note lots of the Praxis pics show Salomons. Sounds like a decent number of Dukes for people interested in sidecountry - but you'll pay the price of lifting yourself a bunch...

Keith is developing a very positive reputation - responsive, top notch build work, etc.
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I will say, those are the most beautiful skis I've ever seen. If only I had a way to justify a ski like that, where I live.

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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
Did anyone get the Praxis Skis? I'm wondering about mount point and suggestions for bindings.
185cm: With tape pulled straight from tip: 97-98cm to boot mid sole.
195cm: with tape pulled straight from tip: 102-104cm to mid sole.
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Has anyone played around with different lift heights?
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
Has anyone played around with different lift heights?
Personally, I would mount them with as little lift as possible. I mean, it's not like you need the added leverage as they're not meant to be carved. Plus, lift on fat powder boards is generally not a good thing. The exception would be if you put AT bindings on them. The Freerides have about 4cm of lift built into them and the Marker Dukes around 3cm or thereabouts.
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I know that is the standard 'rule of thumb' but I'm wondering if anyone has actually tested these (or similar) skis with different lift heights.
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I know that is the standard 'rule of thumb' but I'm wondering if anyone has actually tested these (or similar) skis with different lift heights.
I know that "alto" over on the TGR board has three different pairs of them(he's sponcered) - one pair with Freerides and a couple other pairs mounted flat. You could also ask Keith, the owner of Praxis, if he has any beta.
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Alpinedad and Sincecure both scored Praxis...they should chime in any time now...


interesting about the whole "lift" thing...i have Spats and the mounting position is on a piece of red plastic that's lifted a few mm above the actual top surface of the ski.
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So, I got a message suggest at least 15mm of lift. It'll be interesting to see what others suggest.
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message from whom
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
So, I got a message suggest at least 15mm of lift. It'll be interesting to see what others suggest.
That'd no doubt be the +/- 15mm of lift provided by a low freeride binding... These babies are not supershapes...





I think you need to "let go" a bit or expect to be disappointed by them. Read the many threads at TGR regarding bindings, technique, etc. using this class of ski. Do you think they have not thought about this and experimented accordingly? Do you think the guys skiing big mountain comps on Praxis skis have not thought about their options (look at the bindings in the pics above and the podium pics)? Have you considered the "physics" of what is going on and the "hudge", even fundamental, differences in leverage and engagement between a conventional ski being carved on hard snow and a reverse/reverse ski being "surfed" in a deeper more fluid medium?

If you are going to give these skis a chance to show their best side - and for you to have the most fun on them, you really need to think about how they are meant to be used - and under what conditions. That will inform everything from mounting height decisions to how you ski them. As indicated in the original post, TGR has a wealth of info that is relevant. Way more than just those specific threads. Some searching around could prove useful. It is worth reading the old McConkey stuff too.

I'd suggest following the TGR "conventional wisdom" - mount them low (unless you are opting for an AT rig). Then just go play with an open mind...

As for what Keith would say - I'd bet you his response would look roughly like:

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I'm not a big fan of any rise in binding height and have not tried it with these skis. If it's not a big rise probably won't really be that big of a deal. I have seen some mounted with high backcountry set ups and the people loved them.
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Originally Posted by cmsummit View Post
I know that "alto" over on the TGR board has three different pairs of them(he's sponcered) - one pair with Freerides and a couple other pairs mounted flat. You could also ask Keith, the owner of Praxis, if he has any beta.
Don't ya mean spancered?
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
Alpinedad and Sincecure both scored Praxis...they should chime in any time now...


interesting about the whole "lift" thing...i have Spats and the mounting position is on a piece of red plastic that's lifted a few mm above the actual top surface of the ski.
Yes, but the plastic mounting plate is neccessary, because the skis are thinner than other makes of skis, and without it there wouldn't be enough depth for the binding scews.

Spatulas and McTs were the only Volants that year (03/04) that didn't have the Powerlight riser/mounting plate which adds 10 mm rather than the 2.5 mm of the flat plastic one. McConkey went with the older, flat plastic plate instead of the risers on the Spats. I think it's because he believes risers don't help in powder. I've skied V2 Chubbs with the riser, and it think it works against me a bit (though they are still awesome). They feel a little top heavy, like they want to flip over, I suppose the side cut contributes to this, but is brought to bare largely due to the stack height (29mm).

I won't be adding any stack height to my Spats. I'm going to remove the suspension plate from some DR-9s I just bought, and mount them flat.
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My Spats have some lift due to the demo bindings installed, I'll have to see what happens.

Michael
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I very very nearly pre-ordered a pair of these last April. Thankfully Samurai talked me out of it. Cool skis, but I'm really not a Spat type of guy. Had I seen pics of the Theodore Kittleson-esque mountain lake graphics, I probably would not have been able to resist, tho.

Unless you're talking about Highway Star sized lifts, you will notice no difference. We're not talking hard snow carving here.
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
I very very nearly pre-ordered a pair of these last April. Thankfully Samurai talked me out of it. Cool skis, but I'm really not a Spat type of guy. Had I seen pics of the Theodore Kittleson-esque mountain lake graphics, I probably would not have been able to resist, tho.

Unless you're talking about Highway Star sized lifts, you will notice no difference. We're not talking hard snow carving here.
Ironically, now 6 months down the road, I wish I could justify a pair. I do truly want a pair of praxis for new snow days.

but the truth is, I still ride chairs and traverse in and out of my lines. And a second truth is- If I had cash to drop on new skis this season, a reverse set-up just wouldn't be my pick.

someday though... for sure... after I cover other bases first.

(FWIW, my quiver stands at a leaping Gotama + Jet Fuel.)
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
If you are going to give these skis a chance to show their best side - and for you to have the most fun on them, you really need to think about how they are meant to be used - and under what conditions. That will inform everything from mounting height decisions to how you ski them. As indicated in the original post, TGR has a wealth of info that is relevant. Way more than just those specific threads. Some searching around could prove useful. It is worth reading the old McConkey stuff too.
I read all the TGR stuff before I ordered them. Didn't find much in the way of testing of lift height. Just the rule of thumb to mount them flat.
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
I read all the TGR stuff before I ordered them. Didn't find much in the way of testing of lift height. Just the rule of thumb to mount them flat.
Max,

I suggest PM'in Cliff Huckstable over on TGR with your question. He doesn't post over there often but he would probably be one of the most knowledgable people about rockered ski mounting.

Phil
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