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Atomic 07-08 stuff?

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I already can't wait. I can't find any info on their new skis and equipment for next year, does anyone have a link to which they can point me? Thanks and happy skiing
post #2 of 18
Nomad line is new for skis as are the Hawx boots, the rest are just freshened up graphics.
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Oh, really? It never even occurred to me that they wouldn't update their racers. I'm still new to all this stuff.

They do upgrade them usually, right? Just judging from past years.
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They do upgrade them usually, right? Just judging from past years.
Generally every two years - slight graphics change on the off years.
post #5 of 18

Not quite...

...next year, Atomic, along with all the other manufacturers, will be going to the new FIS reqs for all the race stock stuff...
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I know a guy who just got the Hawx boot. I'm curious what he has to say about them. I guess the ball of the foot flexes in the Hawx.
post #7 of 18
I heard the Metron Line is being phased out. Is that true?
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I heard the Metron Line is being phased out. Is that true?
Not true, the Metrons are in the line for 08.
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Not true, the Metrons are in the line for 08.
I'd be amazed if they dropped them. Not only do they have a lot of R&D and brand equity wrapped-up in Metrons, they're fun skis.

I just returned from a week at Park City and Deer Valley, using only my Metron 9's (an easier ski than my Metron B:5's). They were all I needed, from ice to slop. A decent concept, and it works.

I'm not a shop owner, but I'm guessing they sell okay.
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...next year, Atomic, along with all the other manufacturers, will be going to the new FIS reqs for all the race stock stuff...
The new FIS regs apply only to World Cup and Continental Cups next year.
post #11 of 18
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I know a guy who just got the Hawx boot. I'm curious what he has to say about them. I guess the ball of the foot flexes in the Hawx.
The Hawk looks strangely familiar ... like a freshened-up TriTech from a few years ago. Maybe they just softened the titanium plate under the foot to get them to flex a bit?
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The new FIS regs apply only to World Cup and Continental Cups next year.
What are the new FIS Reg's
post #13 of 18
The changes are:

Slalom:
- waist width must be 63 mm (up from 60 mm)

GS
- waist width must be 65 mm (up from 60 mm)
- minimum turning radius for women must be 23 m (up from 21 m)
- minimum turning radius for men must be 27 m (up from 21 m)


The current 183 LT12 is greater than 23 m and the current 191 GS12 is greater than 27 m, so I don't see them necessarily changing. The one that will have to change is the 186 GS12, at least for 2008. For next season, the old 186 will still be legal in all but Continental and World Cups, but those guys would be using the 191 anyway.
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... minimum turning radius for men must be 27 m (up from 21 m)
Wow - that's quite a jump. So how many fewer WC GS skis do you see the manufacturer's selling next year?

Everyone loves their current short radius GS-like skis for everything from Nastar to Beer Leagues ... you know, race courses where the mere mortals play. Look around on any hill and you'd be hard pressed to find a 'real' GS (real = WC set) where you'd need a 190-ish 27m radius GS ski.

I don't see many average skiers lining up for a 27m GS ski to use on their Nastar course, which means the number of race stock GS skis being sold is sure to drop ... and that can't be a good thing.
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Wow - that's quite a jump. So how many fewer WC GS skis do you see the manufacturer's selling next year?

Everyone loves their current short radius GS-like skis for everything from Nastar to Beer Leagues ... you know, race courses where the mere mortals play. Look around on any hill and you'd be hard pressed to find a 'real' GS (real = WC set) where you'd need a 190-ish 27m radius GS ski.

I don't see many average skiers lining up for a 27m GS ski to use on their Nastar course, which means the number of race stock GS skis being sold is sure to drop ... and that can't be a good thing.
I'm thinking they'll find a way to make these skis manageable, like using something like Rossi's snub-nose tip or playing with the torsional flex.

Many of the current 180s are in the 24-25 m area and don't feel more difficult than the 21 m flat ones from a couple of years ago. If anything they're easier to initiate due to advances in sidecut shape.

Also, a ski is turned by being bent to a point where it cranks a smaller turn than the said radius. If they can figure out a way to allow these skis to easily bend as much as their shorter-radius predecessors, we won't notice a huge difference in the turn.
post #16 of 18

That is true...

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Originally Posted by sjjohnston View Post
The new FIS regs apply only to World Cup and Continental Cups next year.
...however, all the manufacturers are going to the new FIS regs for their race stock skis, and most manufacturers will offer something non-FIS as they currently do...but what you won't be able to get are the equivalents of this year's FIS-legal skis. For example, I'm currently on the Head IGS RD, which has a 25.2 meter radius. Next year, same ski, Head is going to 27 meters. I don't want that, so I bought another pair of this year's.

This is not a good move on the part of the FIS, in my opinion. It almost means that to cover the bases, manufacturers have to have a full FIS legal ski, a non-FIS, and something in between...which they won't do. I believe Masters is going to stay with the position that we're not going to require racers to adhere to the FIS regs...but I've also heard that USSA is pressuring Masters to go along with the joke, which is what it is. Let me get this straight, FIS...are you telling me that it's safer for somebody in Men's Class 12 to ski on a 27-meter radius ski for GS? Especially when the courses are getting tighter?

The one that's really laughable is the standheight/boot sole reqs, which are dropping from 55 to 50 and 45 to 43, respectively. Let me just hang on that one for a minute...are you telling me that I have to replace 12 pairs of plates, assuming they're available, and grind my boot soles 2 mm? How is that going to make things safer, when the binding/boot manufacturers have finally agreed on standards for the boot/binding interface?

Oh, I know how we'll fix everything! Let's get rid of Super G! What a good idea...that way, we can continue to have races in October in Europe on glaciers that will be cow pastures in two years instead of in Colorado, where the snow is guaranteed starting in October! Wuddia think, guys? Does ski racing have a great future, or what?
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To make the radius of the carved turn tighter, relative to the radius of the sidecut, it's not simply a matter of bending: the ski also needs to be at a higher edge angle.

If you take a turn with a given radius, there are two reasons one skier might have a more "tipped" ski than another: higher speed (and thus more inclination) or more angulation (more tipping of the ski toward the inside of the turn, relative to the inclination).

World Cup skiers ski at considerably higher speeds, particularly in GS, than typical Masters or Juniors. That's at least part of the reason many WC-level skiers already are on GS skis up in the 27-meter range.

I'm not sure I quite follow the logic of the manufacters doing a lot of "other things" in order to produce more manageable 27-meter GS skis. The World Cup (and Europa/Nor-Am) racers don't need more manageable skis. Lower-level racers don't need 27-meter skis. At least not for awhile. And, in the USSA, perhaps never.
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...however, all the manufacturers are ...
I'm not in a position to know what various manufacturers are going to do, but I'd be surprised if even most manufacturers are at all sure about that.

Atomic, for example, already makes, so far as I can tell, a bewildering variety of "race stock" skis, in all sorts of side-cuts and constructions. And when you get to what the real World Cup racers are using, things get even odder. For example, Chemmy Alcott managed to get disqualified from the Olympic combined for using skis that were too narrow: has anyone else seen a Fischer ski that's under (or even close to) 60 mm wide?

If I were, say, a really good USSA J-1 skiers sponsored by Head, and they told me, "All our race stock GS skis for '07-'08 are 27-meter," I think I might make some phone calls to the Salomon/Volkl/Rossignol/etc. reps. (Not that very many juniors, at least in this region, are sponsored by Head anyway).

The current length and radius restrictions are already scarcely enforced in USSA races, where they theoretically apply, and where people are at least semi-intense about following rules. If the USSA wants to bow to FIS pressure and impose them in Masters races, they can put some words to that effect in the Alpine Competition Guide, but nobody's going to care.
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