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post #1 of 16
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How does one know when a ski is all skied out and needs replacement?
post #2 of 16
Usually when I get bored with it. Could be one day...one week...even a whole season! But don't go by me (or Trekchick).
post #3 of 16
The only skis I've ever "skied out" were a couple pair of Salomons in the mid/late 90's. They lost all thier "pop" and skied like wet noodles after about 50 days. Other than that, I've usually retired skis because they were bent/snapped in half/had pieces of edge blown out.
post #4 of 16
I have never EVER actually experienced this myself, but recently a friend of ours hd commented that he didn't feel the same pop out of his skis. Upon stowing them in the Jeep at the end of the day I noticed that he didn't have much if any camber left in them. They are 5 years old, he skis often and he's a big guy. No wonder he didnt have any pop.

As for me, I caught the Phickle Phil syndrome. Skis can/have worn out in a day, week, or even a few hours with me
post #5 of 16
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Pug and Chick, do you have a magic ski-fairy or something??? Once you are bored with your ski you get new ones? Even if it's after a day or so...why would you have bought such a ski in the first place? How do you keep from going broke????

When I feel that way I change up the hills I'm skiing at.
post #6 of 16
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Pug and Chick, do you have a magic ski-fairy or something??? Once you are bored with your ski you get new ones? Even if it's after a day or so...why would you have bought such a ski in the first place? How do you keep from going broke????

When I feel that way I change up the hills I'm skiing at.
You want the real answer or the fun answer?
post #7 of 16
You got me..I do have a magic ski fairy.
post #8 of 16
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You got me..I do have a magic ski fairy.
I told you not to call me that anymore!:
post #9 of 16
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You want the real answer or the fun answer?
My imagination is running wild
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
The only skis I've ever "skied out" were a couple pair of Salomons in the mid/late 90's. They lost all thier "pop" and skied like wet noodles after about 50 days. Other than that, I've usually retired skis because they were bent/snapped in half/had pieces of edge blown out.
The skis are Pocket Rockets, which are wet noodles to begin with . My gut tells me they are worn out given how soft they are to begin with and how many days I have on them. I feel like I'm having to work them much harder than in the past and getting bounced around a lot more than I remember. The trouble is I've never owned a ski more than a few years and never one as soft as the PR so I have no real frame of reference.

Perhaps I should try to demo a ski that is most similar and that should give me the answer I'm looking for.
post #11 of 16
We've had a number of threads on this. I suspect you are right. I recently skied two identical skis back to back, one pair new, one with 60+ days. The difference on ice was amazing.

The torsional rigidity goes more than longitudinal flex or camber. It usually sneaks up on you, though some skis seem to just go all of a sudden.
post #12 of 16
This is America. The cradle of consumerism. If there is the slightest doubt that a ski is all skied out it is your duty as a red blooded American to replace them and send the old ones to the landfill. Change out your ski poles while you're at it. And boots : Conversely I'm still skiing 20 year old equipment from time to time. I've worn out precisely one set of equipment - the P-tex became paper thin and unworkable - but have sent maybe 10 sets to the dump :
post #13 of 16
My Pocket Rockets have about seventy days on them and they are still going strong. In fact, my PR's are holding up surprisingly well. The tips and tails have always been soft but the skis are so stiff in the middle that the soft tips and tails are not a problem for me. I prefer the soft tips and tails in bumps and light powder. The stiff middle improves edge grip and dampness.

Like Newfydog said, the torsional rigidity goes first, especially if you like to rail them. If not, then it doesn't matter anyway.

Here are some other factors:
Have you gained weight?
Are you skiing faster than you did when you first got them?
Have they been tuned recently?
Are the bindings screws tight?
Is the binding to boot interface slope free?

You said you are "Having to work them harder". In what way? How many days do you have on them? How long are the PR's and how much do you weigh?

To answer your question about how one knows when ones skis are worn out, for me it depends on the skis. My ice carvers are worn out when they don't grip on ice anymore. Then they become my firm snow carving skis and eventually rock skis. My powder skis are toast when they run out of P-tex from stone grinds after base repairs. When they run out of p-tex, they stop being skis. To slow that down I avoid base grinds except when they are really necessary.

dt
post #14 of 16
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To answer your question about how one knows when ones skis are worn out, for me it depends on the skis. My ice carvers are worn out when they don't grip on ice anymore. Then they become my firm snow carving skis and eventually rock skis. My powder skis are toast when they run out of P-tex from stone grinds after base repairs.

dt

Good point. I've never worn out a powder ski. Bent a few, but no slow long term decrease in performance.

You don't consider those pocket flopits a hard snow carver do you?
post #15 of 16
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Good point. I've never worn out a powder ski. Bent a few, but no slow long term decrease in performance.

You don't consider those pocket flopits a hard snow carver do you?
Although I am impressed with the edge grip of PR's, I use racier skis for all day firm groomer carving: Fischer RC, SL and SC. PR's were originally designed to be good in icy half pipes as well as powder. Actually the torsional rigidity of my PR's can be a pain when I would rather skid my way through a situation like corn bumps, especially with my new Magma boots. My old Explosion 8's were better skidders but the Magma's are substantially higher performance boots.

dt
post #16 of 16
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How does one know when a ski is all skied out and needs replacement?
When presented with an opportunity to get the new pair into the house without running into your spouse.
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