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Blizzard Magnesium GS, what length?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Im a 44y old master skier and Im thinking seriously about finally buying a real pair of GS skis for next season. Last year I tried a pair of 181cm Blizzard Magnesium GS and they felt incredibly nice. They turned much better than the Head FIS GS skis I tried at the same time but due to my knee accident last fall I skipped this seaons investments.

I swapped from Head to Blizzard on SL skis for this season and have been very pleased and now this years model Blizzards can be had real cheap so I was thinking of buying now. They have two pairs, 181cm (the length I tried) and 185cm. Im 6foot3 but our Master courses are set quite tight and Im not going to be skiing in any national level events or such. Just club races. Im usually on SL skis so jumping on a pair of 181cm GS skis feels like jumping on a train.

My questions are:
What length do you suggest I buy?
Is it stupid to buy now if the FIS rules change? (will next years skis be better)
Anybody have any experiance of skis in question?
post #2 of 18
I'm switching to Blizzard for next season and I actually have a pair of next year's right now in a 181. I'm sure by the beginning of next season, they will be different than the ones I have now. I'm kind of betting that the ones I have are just '08 graphics...

For next year, the catalog lists a 182 and a 186 (if I remember right... I don't have it in front of me) The 182 has a 25m radius (women) and the 186 has a 27m (men).

If you are getting next years, definitely go 182.

If you are getting this season's, I'd probably go with the 185. The 181's I have now actually feel pretty short and turny. I'm about 5'10" 180.
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input UPr. I looked at next years SL skis and they had a new plate. Do you know anything about the turn radius for this years 185cm model?
post #4 of 18
I am currently on a 186cm Nordica GSR. I am 5'7" 160lbs. They are no problem in shorter turns and tighter courses - and supposedly Nordicas are one of the more beefy GS skis out there. I can run just about any Naster style course on them with no trouble. They actually turn tighter than my old 182 Elan GSX. At your size I would go with the 185. It is the legal men's length, and will offer you more stability than the 181.
Later
GREG
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
Thanks for the input UPr. I looked at next years SL skis and they had a new plate. Do you know anything about the turn radius for this years 185cm model?
I don't for sure... I would imagine it is in the 23 or 24 range.

By the way, next year they will have a 177 and a 182 in a 25m radius,

and a 185 and a 192 in a 27m radius. (according to the catalog) They don't list any dimensions.

The retail race ski is the GSR and is available in 163,170,177 and 183. It only lists the radius for the 177 (18m), but if you opt for this model, I'd go 183 for sure. Dimensions: 109/66/95
post #6 of 18
Is FIS going to enforce the new rules for international Masters events two years from now, or will it be limited to World/Continental Cup and elite FIS junior races? How often do you replace skis?

If you can squeak it by, I'd go ahead and get a current or one year old >21M ski (new of course) at a considerable discount and move towards the larger radius/length. I would bet there will be considerable dumping of otherwise great GS skis in the next couple seasons (especially in Europe) to get ready for the rule change, and you may get a really good deal on a ski with a proven track record and known characteristics. After the redesign, all bets are off as to which brands will perform and which ones will flop.
post #7 of 18
The current FIS legal GS radius is 21 meter. If I were you and racing tighter courses I would go no larger than a 21 meter ski. If you can get a pair of the 17m radius "cheater" race skis I would even do that. As we get older and in the tighter Nastar/Community Race Series/business race league type races it get's to be a little difficult to make the gate if you get a little late. That is why I reccomend the 17M or 19M raadius, supercarve race skis for your type of racing. I bought a pair of the fishers and love them. They really crank and are very controllable at speed. I got 180cm which I really like. They are great in bumps and even powder. A really good all around the mtn type race ski.

I also have a pair of Blizzard 22m GS actual world cup race stock skis and they are without a doubt the best pair of skis I have ever owned. But the 17m cheater GS skis turn much quicker for this old fat guy.

With the 17m ski you can feather the turn if you do not need the extra crank the shorter radius provides whn ou get late in a turn.

If you are a really good racer and your courses are more open type FIS courses then go 188 and 21m, if they are tighter and you want a ski that you can tear up the whole mountain with when you are not racing. then go with the cheater 17m radius in 180cm.

Just my two cents. I did it and I know I made the correct decision.

Unless you go to a Masters Championship big, big race, they will not worry about you being on a non-leagal radius ski.
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Flame, thanks for you post. Im on a pair of Cheaters at the moment, 177cm Head iRace soft off the sherlf GS skis. They are from last year and did not work that well so after reading about BallOfFoot boot placement I took that wimpy CP19 plate off and replaced it with a real race VIST GS plate and moved it 40mm forwards. This year my GS skiing has showed a great improvement but Im also aware of the fact that in order to gain still annother second on more open courses I need to get real GS skis. The 181cm long Blizzard Magnesium GS are tempting because I skied with them last year and they felt really turny and easy to ski, and fast. Im going to keep my Heads in case the course is set really tight or when we practise or just for fun.
post #9 of 18
I have tried next year's Head iGS RD in a 183 and they perform really well. They also feel pretty turny with the initial mount, but could feel a lot turnier if you got the binding mount a couple mm forward.

If the course set it pretty open (23+ meters), a real GS ski in a real length is pretty much necessary. Not only for the whole stiffness and stability at speed (wich can be had in a longer GS cheater), but just because you will HAVE to WORK the ski to make it turn and thus will not become static. Static = slow times. If you have to wait to apply pressure in a turn because the ski will come around too fast, you are skiing the wrong ski.
post #10 of 18
 Geez am I the only one riding this ski in a 192??
post #11 of 18
If you are interested, I have some circa 2002 Blizzard Ti in 176 that were used ONLY for league racing.  Nice marker race bindings.  Short dough.  If you are interested, ping me.
post #12 of 18
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 Geez am I the only one riding this ski in a 192??

Thats what I say when I show up to GS races around here on 186 Nordicas, or any 27m stamped ski over 185. Kids are gonna be shocked next year when they have to ski the 27m boomstix, especially the J3's becoming J2's. Are the few centemeters really that intimidating to people?
post #13 of 18

My son is a 2nd year J3.  He's about 5'4" and 140lbs.  He was skiing on Nordica 163 jr ski last season.  He thinks that he was over turning the jr ski and wants to move up to an adult ski, I agree.  What's your take on a 2nd year J3 moving up to an adult ski?  He demoed the Blizzard SL in a 155 and wants to get a 175 GS.  Does anyone know the stiffness on the Blizzard adult GS race ski compare to an Atomic, Rossi, Volkl, and Nordica?

post #14 of 18
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My son is a 2nd year J3.  He's about 5'4" and 140lbs.  He was skiing on Nordica 163 jr ski last season.  He thinks that he was over turning the jr ski and wants to move up to an adult ski, I agree.  What's your take on a 2nd year J3 moving up to an adult ski?  He demoed the Blizzard SL in a 155 and wants to get a 175 GS.  Does anyone know the stiffness on the Blizzard adult GS race ski compare to an Atomic, Rossi, Volkl, and Nordica?



We have a leftover pair of j's 174's for $300.00 shipped. New in wrapper. 

post #15 of 18

Look at the Atomic D2 Race GS Jr. It comes in a 176 and is a junnior ski. Specifically built for J3's. In fact I think it may have the World cup plate on the 176cm.  and is constructed just like the adult ski.

 

I skied the Non-Fis version of the Adult version of D2 Race Gs in a 179 (18.4M radius) back to back with a Fischer RC4 Pro (175) and a Head i.speed. (180)

 

I bought the Atomic! And this is after skiing Head almsot exclusively for the last 4 year and I have a pair of brand new Tyrolia bindings which I was going to mount on the i.speed!

 

The D2 (Double Deck) concept is amazing. The D2 was so easy to initriate a turn with, yet held as well or maybe even better then the Fisher or the Head which were ridiculously stiff. So stiff I don't think I could bend them in a Race Course.

 

The charectersitic of the D2 constrution is that the lower deck is more flexible in the tip allowing you to easily bend the tip to start the turn and then as the upper control deck is engaged the ski progressively stiffens the harder you push it. this is why they call it Vario-Flex.

 

go to www.atomicsnow.com  Look under Race Skis and FIS and find the D2 Race GS Jr.

 

IT WORKS!


Edited by Atomicman - 11/3/10 at 8:53pm
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post

My son is a 2nd year J3.  He's about 5'4" and 140lbs.  He was skiing on Nordica 163 jr ski last season.  He thinks that he was over turning the jr ski and wants to move up to an adult ski, I agree.  What's your take on a 2nd year J3 moving up to an adult ski?  He demoed the Blizzard SL in a 155 and wants to get a 175 GS.  Does anyone know the stiffness on the Blizzard adult GS race ski compare to an Atomic, Rossi, Volkl, and Nordica?



Volkl, Nordica, and Blizzard are all pretty similar in terms of flex.

post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post





We have a leftover pair of j's 174's for $300.00 shipped. New in wrapper. 

What's the turn radius on those skis?
 

post #18 of 18


 

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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post





Volkl, Nordica, and Blizzard are all pretty similar in terms of flex.



Last season I tried a pair of 185 Blizzards and a pair of 187 Volkls (both 27m) on the same hill, back to back. I found the Volkls much easier to initiate than the Blizzards.  However, once in the turn, the Blizzards were more solid and held the edge better. For me, the Blizzards were too much ski, but I could see how a better skier might like the Blizzards better.

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