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Bump skiing and short turns what can make these turns better?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Got some video at jackson hole the past weekend condition for the most part were slushy/corn.

Some of my best short turns on film IMO.


couple questions, am I getting up on edge early enough? is my COM moving down the hill the way it should be? Am I "working" the ski and making more dynamic turns than before?

Ok now for some bump skiing up on in the bowl. condition were slightly frozen crud to soft and slushly depending on the turn.


These were short turns to meduim radius turns and the hop is a purposeful doubling of a couple bumps. why because its fun and effective sometimes!!
post #2 of 15
For the short turns you could try to finish the turns more completely before you start to change the edges. You start the edge change very early and with an up and pivot move. Nothing wrong with that if that was your intent, but in order to get an early edge after the transition, you HAVE to avoid (or at least minimize) the pivot move. Finishing the turn further across the fall line will help, I think.

Otherwise, looking very good to me.
post #3 of 15
New jacket? Sorry I have nothing to add MA wise, you look good to me.
post #4 of 15

Caveat emptor - busy today - doing this quickly

Short turns

What I like:
Dynamic turns - lots of energy and snap to the turns
Great angulation at the fall line
Good edge angle above the fall line

What I noticed:
"Heavy" in the bottom of the turns, pronounced edge set, followed by up move and pivoting
Outside ski gets away from you at times due to excessive weight on the inside ski
Hip movement is more lateral than fore-agonal to start the turn

What I like:
Great air carve (jump with edge change in the air)
Good ski/snow contact (pressure management)
Direction of pole swing more down the hill in the top part

What I noticed:
Left turns seem to be rushed a little above the fall line
Turns after the air carve are just recovery from the landing and should be ignored, except that I would have like to see the COM continue moving forward after the landing instead of parking.
post #5 of 15
When I do that kind of short turns - as a drill/warm up for bumps - I always concentrate on non-pivoting my skis during transition - after a pop. The feeling should be that turn starts with skis going away from you instead of toward you. I would say that your skis engage the snow at/about the fall line - not well before the fall line, as it should be. Engaging skis well before the fall line makes speed control much easier - you don't have to make your skis deviate from the fall line too much. It also allows for faster turns which is important in bumps.
All that is said in assumption of "mogul-style" short turns - with intentional exaggeration of vertical movement.

What about the second clip - I think it's the same - a little bit of excessive pivot plus insufficient tips loading at the start of a turn leads to a speed control problem.

I hope it will be helpful. Overall - pretty solid skiing, from my point of view.

post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by bklyntrayc View Post
New jacket? Sorry I have nothing to add MA wise, you look good to me.
haha old jacket at least someone noticed the retina-searing orange(it looks great on screen).

Rusty I agree with everything you said I will ski some the sames turns on my Public Enemies(I was on 183 Volkl Gotamas) and see if the lateral movement and the pivoting goes away. Early edge change and movement down the hill have been my intent for the past couple months. The reason was to get the pivot out of my turns(I have know about the pivot in my shorter turns for ever..)

funny some guys mention the pivot in the bumps skiing because the last time I posted bump skiing.


many said my turns were TOO carved, but re reading some very good info that I never got to read in there. Crazy Pierre(that should be your screenname BTW) I am very curious to here your Bumps MA. FYI I feel that in those conditons semi frozen death cookie on icey to sometime slusly bump that the volkl gotamas were the best tool for the job. My K2s would of been getting thrown around in the crud much more.

for reference this is a video I didnt post up at first cause my rock and roll style come out alittle too much. The light was flat the crud got harded and the line disappeared in my eyes. How does bushwacker react? I due what I can due cause of just natural skills I have gotten from so many days skiing. Just ride over the bumps like they arent there. Runs like this are why I love the crutch of fat, long skis.


another refernce is taken my 3rd days this year at alta, you guys have helped alot in getting my weakest area up to par with the rest of my skiing.

post #7 of 15
Bump for a guy who has gotten a lot better this season. Sweet moves.
post #8 of 15
BWPA, nice skiing but what felt eye catching to me in your first clip was that you seem to be delayed in your turns slightly after crossing the fall line. This comes from a quick pivot followed by an eccessive (spelling???) skidd. In your alta bump video you show a very straight back. Didnt we talk about that earlier? If you dont have litos bump video I reccomend it to you. There is a lot of stuff you could benefit a lot from. Me too...
post #9 of 15
Skiing looks fine. Your steeze on the other hand needs some serious work.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
new question would those short turns pass a Level 3 exam?
post #11 of 15
I am not an examiner, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

My vote would be "no" for the Eastern division. I was making "heavy" turns before my exam and my examiner SSD was beating the crap out of me for it. The beatings worked.
post #12 of 15
I think you have too many coaches! Find someone at Snowbird, and stick with him/her. Your skiing is improving; however, you are changing so quickly that some of the good things you were doing are being placed on a shelf and forgotten. A single coach can take advantage of your positive skills, while improving less developed area's of your skiing.

Your turns would not pass the Intermountain L3; however, your enthusiasm would get you close.

The advancement of your outside ski during the finishiation places you on your heels.
post #13 of 15
I'm off dial up this week! So I watched the first one. You're heel pushing, matey. Upper body is nice and stable and going down the hill, but it's not moving with the skis. There's some weird hip action (ask Reilly, he'll nail it down), snakey sort-of, and although it looks like you are guiding and shaping the turns, the legs are shooting the backs of the skis out very early and skidding them out and around. That's what I see, anyway.

Nice jacket though.
post #14 of 15
Bushwackin, you are strong athletic skier. You'll get there if you put in the time in the right direction. Slow it down and find your soft side on the groomers. Hundreds of open parallel turns on really flat terrain, very soft, round, and finished, and throw in lots of shuffle turns on blue groomers, then take both of these off the groom. Another task that would be good for you would be leapers on groomers (level II task here in NRM), then take them out into the bumps in high speed gs size turns (edge change in the air). These should help you address your fore aft balance issues, how you stand fundamentally over your skis, fluid progressive movement, and hopefully then you will have a better foundation to move on to the next level with. Without this change, I doubt the heel push and hips settling in and back can be corrected. In other words play with all the level three tasks until you can get them done effectively whenever you want, and you will probably be there in your free skiing. The tasks are in the exam for a reason.

In NRM division these turns would not pass level III. Like TR said, you are too heavy, or as I like to put it, late in the turn. The tips are not pulling the tails through the turn. I'm sure you have plenty of talent there at Snowbird to help you get there. In the end it boils down to what kind of skier does Bushwackin want to be.

Lose the fat skis for awhile, then go back and forth between long and fat and short and shapely. A good challenge for all of us. Keeps us versatile. Good luck and have fun.
post #15 of 15
There are really two ways to ski moguls. A true speed skier doesn't even bother carving in the moguls, they turn the skis and use a lot of absorption and edging. They directly control the turn shape instead of using the shape of the ski to carve out a turn. The other methods relies more on carving through the moguls and does lead to a slower (though MUCH less demanding) pace. So how much or little you are carving is going to depend on what style you are aiming for.

I far prefer the first method so here are my observations:
You are what me and my friends call "in the back seat." Your balance seems a bit to far back and not on the skis, instead you are as ant put it "heel guiding". This is largely caused by your upper body being somewhere else than over your skis/boots.
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