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Right now, I have Rossi TP 9X PPS 188s (GS with 22m sidecut, probably get 180s if I were to buy them again) skis for hard snow days and K2 Apache Chief 181s (98mm waist) for powder days. I'm trying to resist buying yet another pair of skis, but just for the sake of argument, I'd like to hear opinions about what my next ski purchase would be.

Neither of those is a really great bump ski for me. The Rossis are stiff and long and the K2s are fat and ungainly. My brother and I have the same line and size of boot, so I tried his Rossi B2 170s recently. Bumps were much more fun. For everything else, it's not enough ski for me. I'm 23, 5'11", 170lbs.

So...I'm torn between wanting a pure bump ski and getting an all mountain ski that would be good in the bumps and have more versatility. I'm not a great bump skier, but I'd like to learn and I've always found that it's better to buy equipment a little better than I am. Are there any bump skis that do anything else decently? All mountain skis that do well in the bumps?
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Get Both!

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Originally Posted by WestEast View Post
.....So...I'm torn between wanting a pure bump ski and getting an all mountain ski that would be good in the bumps and have more versatility. I'm not a great bump skier, but I'd like to learn and I've always found that it's better to buy equipment a little better than I am. Are there any bump skis that do anything else decently? All mountain skis that do well in the bumps?

Hi WestEast,

I have both types of skis you’re asking about. As you can tell from the reviews I love both of these skis and have a wonderful time on them.

The first is a competition level bump specific ski that, I believe, won the gold medal in the last winter Olympics. It also works well for those of us who have more modest aspirations. Here is my review of the 170cm Volkl Rebellion:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=53686

If you want to seriously improve your bump performance I believe you will progress quicker and go farther by buying a bump specific ski and surrendering to its limitations. Once the snow on the groomed runs softens up I’ve had a lot of fun messing about on the Rebellion due to its light weight. Personally I can’t see using it anywhere other than bumps, Terrain Park and 1-4 inches of soft snow over a groomed run. While I haven’t tried it, I don’t think it would do well with soft powder bumps.

The second is supposedly a park/pipe ski. However it enjoys an excellent reputation as an all mountain soft snow ski that does a great job in the bumps. Here is my review of the 177cm Volkl Karma:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=33326

In addition to the two skis mentioned above I also have a powder ski, 184cm Volkl Mantra, and a front side carver, 168cm Volkl All Star. The greatest compliment I can pay the Karma is that if I was forced to only have one ski I would choose the Karma without a moment’s hesitation. I say that even considering that I love to ski bumps in all their various forms. They work well in the bumps and are the best all mountain ski I’ve ever used.

So I believe the decision comes down to whether you want to quickly get better in the bumps or if you want a more versatile ski. Given that you have the rest of your quiver to use I would nudge you in the direction of the bump ski. However, YMMV and all my thoughts are suspect given my signature line.

Have fun on your new skis whatever you pick!

Michael
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I've found the Dynastar Contact11 to be a great bumper with an all-mountain attitude.
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The characteristics that would make a ski great in bumps will generally hinder you somewhat in other conditions. (Fairly narrow, pretty straight shape, soft....etc.)

As you found out, the B2 is pretty darned good in bumps, but it's just not a super agressive ski. A ski that might compromise pretty well is the Salomon XWing Fury. At 84mm it might seem pretty wide for bumps, but it has a light swing weight and a soft tail so if you goof in the lumpy stuff it won't launch you into next week. The Fury has better grip and is more stable than the B2 without being too burly to use in the bumps. Pretty good compromise.

SJ
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The Salomon might be a good idea. In case SAC puts up the Public Enemies again...what do you think of that as an all mountain/bump ski (probably in a 174)? I'll feel a little silly not taking a twin tip into the park...but I'll live.
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I am in the process of searching for the same type of ski. I am an experienced bump skier, but have limited resources for skis currently, so I cannot justify a dedicated bump ski, a GS ski, and a Slalom ski. I currently have a GS ski, so need to find something that is good for short radius on the steeps, but is soft enough in the shovel to handle bumps (I do not really care about a straight ski in the bumps, I can keep a slalom ski on line in the moguls) and still light enough to throw around. Two skis I am looking at are both Dynastars ; Nothin but trouble (anyone know th eradius on these?) and the Skicross 10 (anyone know the wieght of these?). Both fit into my budget easily as there are a number of them used on ebay, but I have not been able to demo them. Anyone have any experience with them?

Yes, I have posted a few places on this website asking about skis, and yes I am budget conscious, but I would rather use my cash to get my kids good equipment and spend $$ on passes than equipping myself.
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Nordica Hot Rod Afterburners worked for me

"So...I'm torn between wanting a pure bump ski and getting an all mountain ski that would be good in the bumps and have more versatility. I'm not a great bump skier, but I'd like to learn and I've always found that it's better to buy equipment a little better than I am. Are there any bump skis that do anything else decently? All mountain skis that do well in the bumps?"

A couple of weeks ago, I bought a pair of 170 cm Nordica Hot Rod Afterburner skis after "demoing" them for a day at Snowmass. I was previously skiing on a pair of 185 cm Solomon Scream "Pilot" skis (03-04 vintage). I found the Solomons to be very chattery on crud and in heavy fresh snow a la Sierra cement. They only seemed to be truly obedient on smooth, groomed runs. I've found that I can take the Nordicas anywhere on the mountain and they will never misbehave -- even on intermediate bump runs. They're both incredibly stable at high speed and very nimble in short-radius turns. I haven't had a chance to try them in powder yet, but I'll wager that when I do they'll make me look good. They're the best skis I've ever had, and I've been skiing for 35 years! I love 'em.

About me, I'm an advanced/expert skier, 6 feet tall, 170 lbs. -- and I'll be 62 in May. These skis have revived my excitement about the sport and I am really looking forward to getting back on them next season.
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I've been skiing the Dynastar Twisters for bumps and have been shocked at how well the ski the rest of the mountain. Great edge hold and good at speed. I'm used to a stiffer/heavier ski so crud and puching through stuff is harder on these. The trouble makers are the same ski pretty much kust wider. Probably a good choice.
My 2 cents: Get a bump ski and ski bumps and learn the zipper line and you will hate groomed snow! I was a speed freak now I'm a bumper!
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I've found the Dynastar Contact11 to be a great bumper with an all-mountain attitude.
Ditto

Michael
post #10 of 13
In my earlier post, I meant to write "Salomon" skis, obviously. My old skis weren't that wise ...
post #11 of 13
Rossi B1's are excellent in the bumps (even better than the B2s), and pretty decent over the rest of the mountain as long as you don't have deep snow. They're way too narrow for any kind of powder - but you have your K2s for that.

The B1's carve pretty well, they skid if you need them to, they hold a decent edge in ice. They're super-steer-able. They initiate turns very well. The tips and tails are not too stiff. They're a wood-core ski with no metal. So, like people's comments about the B2, they're not the most aggressive skis on the market. But they're not too bad.

I bought my pair of B1's used on the cheap. I'm 5'10" 175 llbs and got the 176. It was a good addition to my quiver. I don't use them that often, but I'm quite happy with them as special purpose skis. I also heard that the 05 model year was actually the best iteration of the B1s... You can probably find a pair of these for practically nuthin on ebay or somewhere...
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
The characteristics that would make a ski great in bumps will generally hinder you somewhat in other conditions. (Fairly narrow, pretty straight shape, soft....etc.)

As you found out, the B2 is pretty darned good in bumps, but it's just not a super agressive ski. A ski that might compromise pretty well is the Salomon XWing Fury. At 84mm it might seem pretty wide for bumps, but it has a light swing weight and a soft tail so if you goof in the lumpy stuff it won't launch you into next week. The Fury has better grip and is more stable than the B2 without being too burly to use in the bumps. Pretty good compromise.

SJ
Agreed. But for having demoed the Fury, I would say the Scott Aztec Pro is also a good bet. I've found it more "substancial" than the Fury (the soft tails of the salomon bothered me) or the B2, but stil very adequate in the bumps. It turns short, even in its longest size. A very good "all moutain".
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Originally Posted by WestEast View Post
The Salomon might be a good idea. In case SAC puts up the Public Enemies again...what do you think of that as an all mountain/bump ski (probably in a 174)? I'll feel a little silly not taking a twin tip into the park...but I'll live.
Yep!!! Public enemies!!!! Tehy'll do everything you want, and you'll probably end up skiing them 60%+ of the time.

174's would be perfect, probably mount them +1 or +2.

I recommend a pair of real Look turntables on them, like Rossi FKS120's.

Awesome setup.
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