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Recommendations for good carving lightweight ski?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Looking for some suggestions...

Me..
5'11" 180 lbs
level 7/8
Age 50.

Ski mostly groomed nowadays, bumps every now and then, and I like to turn.. ski about 50 days a year..

I currently ski on 04/05 Rossi Bandit B1's and 05/06Metron B5's,
I love my Metrons, best ski I have ever skied.. And I like the B1's though they are a step down from the B5's, and are 2 very different skis.. (obviously)

But, the B5's tend to take a toll on my legs after a few consecutive days and when I go back to the B1's I really miss the edge hold, carving and quick turns of the B5's.

I'm trying to find a ski that will replace the B1's, something with good edge hold, good carving, a turner, but something along the weight of the Rossi's. (fairly light weight) I've had a couple people suggest the Metron 9 or the Zenith z9, would consider other manufacturers as well, but am kind of partial to Rossi and Atomic..

any feedback on these 2 skis or other suggestions??
post #2 of 22
I have skied the 04/05 Metron 9 in a 164 for the last 2 seasons. I like the ski, but have been skiing less years than you. I am 56yrs old. I find that the ski is very easy to manuever, seems pretty forgiving, good on edge and floats fairly well in powder and crud. It aint light tho! I have only 2 other skis to compare it too and it is the heaviest. But then you are familiar with the metron.
post #3 of 22
I doubt the weight is what wears out your legs, but the frequent high g force turns. My legs wear out in direct ratio to the turn radius. Slalom skis and Metrons just keep you working.

Look for a ski with good grip and about a 19m radius and you'll still have fun, just last longer.
post #4 of 22
Head supershapes are much lighter than the Metrons, and have a similar sidecut radius. I'm not sure its the weight of the skis that's your problem, though. Slalom turns are harder work than GS turns, as a matter of course.

Another thing to consider is that Neox bindings have very little ramp angle, and the "center" mounting position on the Metrons is quite far back for many people (especially given the bindings have little ramp...). If its specifically your quads that are tired, you may be fighting to stay out of the back seat, and you might want to experiment with the zeppa angle and forward lean of your boots, and positioning of the bindings. Fortunately the latter is very easy with Neox bindings.
post #5 of 22
The Salomon Tornado is a nice light ski with good carving ability. It does not shine on super hard snow or really high speeds but is great for most conditions. The 2008 Atomic Blackeye is very light ski with very good edge grip and energy. It is a longer turn radius ski than the Salomon.

SJ
post #6 of 22
Fischer RX-8. They are light compared to many other carvers out there.
post #7 of 22
Here's a factor to consider. With the Metrons carrying the extra weight, you probably will not be bounced around as much in anything rougher than perfect groomers.

I have similar setups, B1 and SX-10. I find myself being pretty tired if I was to ski on the B1s after a snow fall. I'd like to upgrade to the B2s next year.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by Skizoo View Post
Looking for some suggestions...

Me..
5'11" 180 lbs
level 7/8
Age 50.

Ski mostly groomed nowadays, bumps every now and then, and I like to turn.. ski about 50 days a year..


I love my Metrons, best ski I have ever skied..But, the B5's tend to take a toll on my legs after a few consecutive days..am kind of partial to Rossi and Atomic..
Is it your legs or knees? If the former, maybe stick with the skis you like and do some weight training to increase leg strength if you are not already doing so. I slacked off this season in the strength training department and really notice the difference. Skiing into shape has always been something of a myth. Otherwise the Fischer RX-8 is a great ski and light as Fischer skis go.
post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies everyone..

I do think some of the fatigue is due to the fact I like to turn a lot, but I also know that that fatigue happens a bit quicker on the B5's than the B1's.. my B5's are about 16 lbs and the Bandits about 12 lbs.

Let me ask a couple followups, I'm going to be in Breck around 4/1, and I've decided to try and demo the Rossi Z9 and the Fischer RX8

any ideas where to demo these skis in breck?

I've read almost every thread here I can find on the RX8 and am curious as to how different it is from the Metron B5? I know the B5 is a bit wider, and a bit more all mountain, but would appreciate any additional feedback on the RX8 and Z9 as I've narrowed it down to these 2 skis, at least for now.

these would replace the Rossi B1's, also any info on the weight of the Z9 and RX8 appreciated
post #10 of 22
Demo the K2 Crossfire. You won't be disappointed.
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by Skizoo View Post
I do think some of the fatigue is due to the fact I like to turn a lot, but I also know that that fatigue happens a bit quicker on the B5's than the B1's.. my B5's are about 16 lbs and the Bandits about 12 lbs.
Related to the weight of the skis and the fatigue, any chance that you're back a bit far in the backseat?
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Related to the weight of the skis and the fatigue, any chance that you're back a bit far in the backseat?
No I don't think so, I'm pretty centered on the skis, it probably does have to do with having 2 herniated disks in my back, now they don't bother me most of the time when I'm skiing, I can ski freely and have what I consider normal mobility, but there are days when my back does bother me, usually after several consecutive days of skiing, and this is when I tend to really start to feel the fatigue in my quads as I think I am compensating for the back pain somehow and slightly changing my technique, maybe at this point I do get a bit back in the skis, but I know the Rossi's make it a bit more tolerable, and I'm not just talking about the skiing, but even riding the lifts, sometimes that extra 4 pounds makes quite a difference when the legs are dangling.. and you're back is hurting

but I miss the quick turning of the metrons, so I'm trying to find a ski that will turn quick, with good edge hold, but that may be a bit lighter than the metrons for those days when I'm not 100%,

That and the Rossi B1's kind of bore me compared to the Metrons,

I've done 40 days so fat this year and 30 have been on the Metrons
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Skizoo View Post
That and the Rossi B1's kind of bore me compared to the Metrons,

I've done 40 days so fat this year and 30 have been on the Metrons
Can't blame you. When I first got the B1, I loved them. Nowadays, I don't get the same thrill out the them -- except on a soft groomer doing lots of really tight quick radius turns. Maybe I did get better, but who knows. From what I hear, the new B2s behave more like a true all mountain ski that can go faster and hold a better edge. I had a couple of demo runs in the beginning of the season and it sorta gave me that feeling but there was very little snow/terrain to speak of to confirm.
post #14 of 22
I recommend that you seriously consider Fischer RX 8. Light, lively yet very very stable carver.
post #15 of 22
You can get an RX8 demo at Virgin Island in Silverthorne in the Office Depot shopping center.
post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by stevesmith7 View Post
You can get an RX8 demo at Virgin Island in Silverthorne in the Office Depot shopping center.
Ughh, actually after spending the better part of today reading everything I could find on the Z9's and RX8's, I decided the RX8 was the way to go... I called about half a dozen shops in Breck and no one demoed them, but wasn't aware of Virgin Island, so I just ordered a pair from Pinnacle Sports in Stowe.. Oh well, I got them for $595 which seems like a reasonable price, and it's not like you can ever have too many skis, I just tell my wife to pretend they're shoes..

thanks all
post #17 of 22

Skis

Skizoo, if you can demo Fischer Race SC. Got off my B5's and into these for groomers and love them. My best description of ride. Softer and very easy to carve and/or use the whole ski. Excellent quick turner, med and long radius TR 14. I really think most good skiers buy skis that are too stiff for their abilitity and/or weight strength ratio and that is why I tried this slightly softer ski and really like kthe performancde and feel. Mind you it is not a "soft" noodle ski but just a little softer. Try it you may like. Mine are 170's
post #18 of 22
I think RX8 are the way to go. I read reviews here, bought them in 165cm length and realized how much I was suffering with Salomon Xmax 10 skis. I love edge to edge quickness and rebound energy with RX8s. Even with fast quick turns I was not fatiguing my legs. I am 5'9", 170lbs, level 7, very fit( I run and do cardio a lot), and I enjoyed RX8 so much that sometimes I couldn't get the grin off my face. RX8 are easy to turn even at low speeds and are reasonably stable at high speeds. Length of these skis is very important. Reviews here reveal that change in length can substantially change the way they ski.
post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 
I'd like to thank everyone who recommended the RX8, Just finished my first day on them today at Breck and I LOVE 'em. They are exactly what I was looking for.. quick turning, good edge hold, etc.. fast under foot.. even though things got pretty soft today I could feel the edges working, as things got real soft in the PM, I even liked them in in those conditions as well.. great ski, thanks to all who suggested it!
post #20 of 22
This is Jer speaking none of the skis mentioned thusfar are any good at long high speed turns in deep powder.

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post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by 0BernhardFranz
This is Jer speaking none of the skis mentioned thusfar are any good at long high speed turns in deep powder.

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Yeah, Early 90s GS skis are much better for that.
post #22 of 22
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