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Deliberate Collision?....Snowboard VS Skier

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Info is kinda sketchy but here is what the Mammoth Times has printed. Wish I had been there to chase the creep down.

Deliberate Collision? - You Can Help Police Find Assailant

Thu, Jan 24, 2002
The Mammoth Lakes Police Department, in conjunction with Mammoth Mountain Security, is investigating an assault that occurred on a ski run at Mammoth on Sunday, Jan. 20, between 10:30 and 11 a.m.

A female skier was taking a run in the area where the runs "White Bark Ridge" and "Roadrunner" meet, when an unidentified male snowboarder ran into her in what was apparently a deliberate collision. The male apparently had a brief conversation with the victim and then took off, leaving the woman injured. Other passing skiers and snowboarders stopped to assist her and notified Ski Patrol.

When Ski Patrol personnel arrived, the woman was unconscious and needed assistance breathing. She was transported to the Main Lodge, where Mono County Paramedics took over. She remains in serious but stable condition at Mammoth Hospital, where she is being evaluated to determine the extent of her injuries.

The male was described as Caucasian, between 20 and 30 years old, and approximately 5'10" to 6'1" in height. He was wearing a black ski helmet with some type of decals or design on it, and goggles. His clothing was described as a multi-colored jacket, primarily red, orange and tan, and light colored pants, possibly tan.

If you were skiing or snowboarding in that area on Sunday at that approximate time and may have seen a collision or a man on a snowboard matching that description, please contact the Mammoth Lakes Police Department as soon as possible.

Because of the ongoing criminal investigation, further details about the incident are being withheld at this time in order to allow law enforcement the opportunity to apprehend and successfully prosecute the suspect. MT


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Copyright 1990 - 2002 Mammoth Times
post #2 of 28
I missed the part where they explained why they thought it was deliberate. Ohhhhhh is that the info they withheld?

On another similar note - I saw a collision between a skier and boarder at Solitude (I was on the chair - good view). It was the skier's fault but he cursed out the boarder.
post #3 of 28
Thats messed. I doubt it was deliberate (how many guys go around trying to cripple a woman?) but the perpetrator was probably ripping around carelessly and smoked her. Still no excuse though, boarders whould learn to watch where they're going.
post #4 of 28
Thread Starter 
When I get more info i will post it.
post #5 of 28
Two years ago I was used as a "target" by three boarders. One went over my tips and the other over my tails. The third (female) gave me a "playful" slap as she barely missed me.

We had a "chat" at the bottom.
post #6 of 28
This all comes down to the "code"
Yuki, stop standing in the middle of the run.
(that's just a little jab, I have no idea what your situation was)

I see one of the biggest issue is the whole "right of way" thing.

Downhill skier has the right of way - IF THEY ARE MOVING!

If you stop, you need to make sure it is clear before starting again. It's like making a right turn in traffic.

The biggest one is merging onto trails.
The last 'collision' i was invovled in had to do with that. I was skiing fall line turns, chowder head comes racing across fall line from another run, pops out behind a knole WHAM. He took the blunt of it, came out of both skis, I skied out of it. I did not make a big deal of it and didn't feel like arguing that day, asked if he was ok and moved on. Didn't want to place blame but he was clearly at fault.

Pay attention, look up hill, and know the "code", we will all be safer.
post #7 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Argus:

Downhill skier has the right of way - IF THEY ARE MOVING!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you mean "If they are moving"? Do you mean that people who are moving have right-of-way over people standing still? God, I hope not! That would mean that slamming into a person standing still is the fault of the person standing still! Yikes!

The person downhill ALWAYS has the right of way.
post #8 of 28
John, I think the point Argus was trying to make was that if you are stopped, and about to move off, you do not have right of way. It's the same as with cars. if you are parked, people will drive around you. If you are pulling out of a parking space, or out of a side road, you give way (yield) to the moving traffic.
That's how I read it, and how I ski it, but I could be wrong.


S
post #9 of 28
Ther are major rumours going around town about this one. The first is that he injected her with a syringe full of something through her ski outfit. The second is that this was not an isolated case, and there may have been a group of snowboarders involved. These are just rumours, and are most likely not true. I was hoping maybe you had the goods on this one, Mammothcruzer.
post #10 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by spinheli:
Ther are major rumours going around town about this one. The first is that he injected her with a syringe full of something through her ski outfit. The second is that this was not an isolated case, and there may have been a group of snowboarders involved. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooooh maybe it was terrorists with Anthrax. LOL!

Please tell me ppl aren't really saying these things.
post #11 of 28
Apologies if I did not make myself clear.
Fox interpeted it correctly.

of course if someone is stopped below you it is your responsibility to avoid them.

The merging trails conflict with this a bit. If you merge you may be below someone. The guy I hit was below me by about 10 feet when I saw him. It was his responsibility to YEILD because he was merging. So you cannot say the downhill skier ALWAYS has the right of way.

Another point, if you are stopped in the middle of a run, instead of the side of the run, as stated in the "code", your an idiot.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 24, 2002 10:31 AM: Message edited 2 times, by Argus ]</font>
post #12 of 28
All the talk of RIGHTS removes the responsibility of CARE which is the key component of living\skiing together.

Oz
post #13 of 28
Things that I worry about when I ski:

1. Avalanches
2. Collisions with another object (rock, tree, etc...)
3. Collisions with other skiers
4. LCC road being closed
5. Long lift lines

Things I do not worry about when skiing:

1. Defending my human rights
2. Being injected with a substance through my clothing

If you hit somebody, at least stay in the area long enough to make sure that they are ok. You are the first person on the scene, and can be the hero in alerting the patrol in case of an emergency. Take responsibility for you actions!
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post #14 of 28
It sounds deliberate and criminal to me. The woman wound up unconscious. I can't imagine, if it were an accident, why this man would leave the scene.
post #15 of 28
Lisamarie - Do you remember a story titled "You'll Never be Afraid to Try". I read it in Reader's Digest in about 1969 or so. It was about Hurricane Island Outward Bound School.

My first summer job paid $350 for two months, the exact tuition for OB Western Canada. I saved every penny, and went the next year, when I was 17. 28 day course, session number 7 (or 9) I believe, right at the start of the school there. It was GREAT. My instructor was definately old OB style, a retired British army commando.

I went back when I was about 22, and took the full winter course. Gave me my first taste of back country skiing, winter camping and that sort of stuff.

I'm sorry you didn't get to go. It was a life altering experience, no exaggeration. I have some thoughts in the back of my mind that I'd like to go the year I turn 50. Let's see..... lose about 50 or 60 pounds, get in better shape, convince the wife I'm not crazy.......

Anyway, I digress. If the story is true, and they find the guy, let me suggest where he should put his snowboard.......
post #16 of 28
Argus,

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post #17 of 28
I have to agree with the other poster. The Outward Bound program is incredible! Visit their web site for information on all their programs, there are many to choose from.

I know it made me a much more well rounded Kumquat.

I like your smilies over here. Much easier to use than Powder.
post #18 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kumquat:
I like your smilies over here. Much easier to use than Powder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes...but the pictures aren't as interesting.
post #19 of 28
Not to go off topic...but I will. Welcome Kumquat! That's one juicy picture in your profile!

HAHAHAHA!
post #20 of 28
Not to go off topic...but I will. Minker, aren't you supposed to be skiing at Copper right now? :
post #21 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by irul&ublo:


Yes...but the pictures aren't as interesting.
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Irul&ublo!!! You're over here too? Do the boys back at Powder know this?
post #22 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kumquat:


Irul&ublo!!! You're over here too? Do the boys back at Powder know this?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes...and notwithstanding the gaper allegations, there are many maggots over here...whether under the same or other names. In fact, I have reason to believe that Gonzo posts there under the nom de plume of "Rusty Nails": Gonzo????

Ryan...if you are implying that I am the angry Native American...sorry, not guilty.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 25, 2002 02:50 PM: Message edited 2 times, by irul&ublo ]</font>
post #23 of 28
LisaMarie, I understand totally. I always wanted to go camping when I was young. It seemed like alot of fun and adventure.

Then I saw the 3 part episode of The Brady Bunch in the Grand Canyon and came to my senses!
post #24 of 28
You know....ever since that Hawaii episode with the tiki......
post #25 of 28
Oh my, Sunday at 11:00 a.m? Thats three hours before I was knocked out by a snowboarder!

I was skiing about ten feet to the right of a clump of trees and was hit from behind by a boarder coming from the left of the trees.

I was knocked out of both my bindings, skis, hat and glasses were about twenty feet above from where I landed face down, hitting my head hard on the snow, giving me whiplash and hurting my gut.

Ann was behind me and though she didn't see the collision, said that the boarder, who looked like and expert when he left, apologized profusely, saying he was on his heel side and just didn't see me.

I was uncoucious for a little and as I came to and started moving, skiers had collected my gear and a ski partrolman in a snowmobile was there, I mentally checked my limbs and got up and put on my skis, hat and glases and skied away.

I don't remember this, but my wife said she worried because I kept asking a half dozen times in the next hour or two what ski area we were skiing and what day it was and if it was the beginning or the end of our vacation.

By the time, 4:30, that Bob Barnes picked us up for dinner at his house, a most beautiful affair he and his wife put together for many friends, I was OK but for sore neck and shoulder muscles, they still hurt.

I don't blame the boarder totally, I was probably skiing too close to the trees as was he, and I couldn't move away because I didn't see him, but neither could he see me because of this convoluted heel side stance where he would have had to have his head turned backward to see me.

He did have the advantage that for a split second when he was behind me that he was able to get his arms and hands up for his protection before hitting me. But it could have been a skier as well, as long as we are both OK, that's all that matters, sore muscles will heal.

...Ott
post #26 of 28
Wow you took a good blow. You may have had a concussion. The only thing I can thing of is the old flying adage: "Check your 6" This means that no mater what, you must keep up a visual scan of what is happening around you. This is something that most people do not do. They tunnel vision on just what they are doing. This leads to a lot of accidents on and off the slopes.
post #27 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by irul&ublo:

I have reason to believe that Gonzo posts there under the nom de plume of "Rusty Nails": Gonzo????
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bwaaaah hah hah hah hah. Good one, irul!

Actually I do have a Poutermag member name, but it ain't Rusty Nails. I post in there occasionally, just to see what The Dark Side has to say. I have only one comment to make about being bipolar on these two forums:

Man, and I thought fraternities conducted vicious hazing rituals!

a-HEH!
post #28 of 28
Ott: That sounds like classic concussion short term memory loss. I hit my head on the steering wheel during a minor traffic incident .... I could not remember the current name of the President or the Governor of our state but I could recite them from 1950 ..... up to good old what's his name? .... Glad you are better.
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