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Filling the race-carver slot in my quiver; with what?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I need help buying another ski (some would say that I need help with my OC disorder, but that can wait! )

I sold my 175cm Fischer Worldcup RC, the classic cheater GS ski. This was my hard snow carving ski with a 16 meter turn radius. This has been bumped from my quiver the 178cm Dynastar Contact 11. The Contact 11 carves the hard pack just as well as the RC and can do the same kind of high edge angle GS turns as the RC. The Contact 11 can also ski soft snow perfectly, something the RC could only do with 100% concentration and high effort.

But, now I want a slalom race carver. Something with a 12 to 14 meter turn radius in a 165 to 175cm size. This ski does not need to be versatile or easy to use. It needs to carve tight turns at moderate to high speeds on firm snow & ice. It might get used for NASTAR and a Race Camp too.

Group A) Fischer Worldcup SC or similar. This would include all cheater/recreational SL carvers such as the Supershape, Racetiger SL, Elan SLX, Dynastar Speed Omiglass Comp, Atomic SL 11 or 12.., sandwich construction is preferred.

Group B) The new group of 69-71mm wide-underfoot hybred SL/GS race carvers. This would include all versatile carvers such as the Supershape Magnum (121-71-107mm), Fischer RC4 Progressor (118-70-100mm) .., sandwich construction is preferred.

Group C) the FIS legal SL ski. This would include all FIS legal SL race skis such as the Fischer Worldcup SL, Volkl Racestock SL...

What type or model ski should I be looking for? This ski will see duty in Vermont just a few days a year. I'm 230 Lbs and a former High School & USSA GS specialist.

Thanks in advance.

Michael
post #2 of 19
I love my Fischer Race SCs. I found a pair on overstock.com of all places, and got a good price on the 05-06 version. I am 5'10 220 and 165 is all the ski I need. I never raced, but have skied for 30+ years, learning on the hard stuff at Whiteface. I think it's just a great eastern snow ski.
post #3 of 19
You've got it narrowed down to three pretty good categories there, with some good contenders. My pick of the first two categories would be the SuperShape in a 170. I skiied the Magnum and it's an awesome ski, but if this is something you're only going to be taking out a few days a year (presumably on well groomed hardpack and ice), there's no point in the extra width - it's awesome for a more allround ski that keeps the punch of the SS, but for what you're lookign for, I'd go with the narrower waist.

In my mind, what you need to choose is betwee group A and C. I don't really know how you ski, but it sounds like you're a pretty powerful and strong skier. If you're looking for something to take out occasionally to really push yourself and rip during the year, I'd go with something in C, and I'd look towards true racestock stuff. You're big enough to handle it easily, and if you're just looking to rip at times, you may as well go all out.

The problem is that race stock stuff is rather hard (often impossible) to demo, so you have to go off your own experience and what others suggest (skipressworld also usually reviews race stock stuff, although they sometimes end up reviewing consumer stuff for whatever reason, so pay attention).
You probably know the obvious contenders, but just for the sake of completeness, I'll post them here:
Atomic SL12 Racestock
Fischer Worldcup SL
Head i.SL-RD
Nordica SL-R
Rossignol RS WC
Stockli Laser SL
Volkl Racetiger SL Racestock

I doubt you'd be disappointed with any of these, which one is best for you is really a question of personal taste, and what combination of stiffness, rebound, and dampness you really want. Go through the gear reviews and have a look, pay attention to which reviewers best match your body type and skiing style, see what they think.
post #4 of 19
I vote group C, avoid Volkl and Rossi. Beyond that, you're good.
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input.

I'm able to narrow it down to the following skis based on availability;

Head Supershape with FF17 bindingsin a 170cm
Head Worldcup iSL Chip with FF17 bindings in a 170cm
Fischer Worldcup SC Flowflex in a a 165cm
Fischer Worldcup SL with 14mm raceplate in a 166cm
Dynastar Raceroom SL with P15 Race bindings in a 165cm

I trust these brands and I also can find an '07 model in the $400 to $500 range with bindings.

The Supershape and Fischer SC are well liked "recreational" SL models and seem like a safe bet.

The Worldcup Fischer SL & Dynastar SL are the real deal race stock models. That might be an interesting challenge of just plain nuts.

The Head iSL chip is a narrow waisted SuperShape and fits the criteria.

Still undecided...

Michael
post #6 of 19
dayym holmes, sounds like you need a park ski as well.
post #7 of 19
Fischer WC SC is 14m @ 165cm. It is plenty of ski and there are a number of favorable reviews here. I have the WC SC in both 160cm and 165cm. I actually like the 160cm a little better as it is easier to ski for me at 180lbs 5'11".

As for the Fischer SL, well, let's just say that the WC SC is plenty for me. At the various Mt Hood summer race camps for a number of seasons the Fischer SL has enjoyed a large following (maybe attributable in part to the days Bode Miller was winning slalom races on Fischer skis). I'm guessing that it requires full-time attention though so it may not be the best for all day recreational skiing. I believe some reviews have been posted on the Fischer SL here, as well.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
post #8 of 19
At your weight I recommend the Fischer SL over the Fischer SC because the SL is a much beefier ski. I weigh 175 lbs and have 161cm SL's and 160 SC's. The SC's are more versatile but since you want ice carvers more than versatile skis, go big.

dt
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Head Supershape with FF17 bindingsin a 170cm
Head Worldcup iSL Chip with FF17 bindings in a 170cm
Fischer Worldcup SC Flowflex in a a 165cm
Fischer Worldcup SL with 14mm raceplate in a 166cm
Dynastar Raceroom SL with P15 Race bindings in a 165cm
Hi Michael

Do you mean Head WC iSL RD (Race Departement)? The normal WC iSL is a cap ski and in my eyes very recreational, below Supershape. I liked the Supershape, but it is not very stiff in flex.

Fischer WC SL isn't a really racestock ski. I'm even not sure, if it has a sandwich construction. I would also consider Elan SLX WC (not Fusion Pro). It is similar stiff than Fischer WC SL, a little bit smother in flex. The actual Stoeckli Laser SL is also similar to Elan. Next year Stoeckli offers a Laser SL FIS-Version with the same shape that the ordinary one.
post #10 of 19
The Fischer WC SL is a production ski, not race stock but it has sandwich construction with vertical sidewalls.

dt
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by vilu View Post
Hi Michael

Do you mean Head WC iSL RD (Race Departement)? The normal WC iSL is a cap ski and in my eyes very recreational, below Supershape. I liked the Supershape, but it is not very stiff in flex.

Fischer WC SL isn't a really racestock ski. I'm even not sure, if it has a sandwich construction. I would also consider Elan SLX WC (not Fusion Pro). It is similar stiff than Fischer WC SL, a little bit smother in flex. The actual Stoeckli Laser SL is also similar to Elan. Next year Stoeckli offers a Laser SL FIS-Version with the same shape that the ordinary one.
Hi Vilu,

The Head iSL RD that I was considering is the cap ski, I've taken it off my list for that reason.

I'm also looking at a 166cm iSL RD model with a Vist plate, I'm a little more certain that this is the real raceroom ski.

I know that the Fischer WC SL is FIS legal with the same construction as the WC RC, including vertical sidewalls and laminate construction. It's not the same ski that the real Worldcup racers use, I'm OK with that.

I'll look into the Elan's and Stoeckli's. These seem to be a little more scarce right now.

Cheers,

Michael
post #12 of 19
+1 with DT on the Fischer SC vs SL. I have the 160 SC's at 150#'s and they're plenty of ski for me. At your weight, you might get the same effect from the SL.

SC is a fun ski and semi-versatile. I know you don't care about versatility but it's nice to have something that can carve this well and work pretty decently in the bumps, etc.
post #13 of 19
If you can find them, the Dynamic VR series skis are a lot better than people think. I have the VR17 SL in 173 (12M TR) and bought it to be a more versatile ski....I still have my RC's. The VR27 is more of a racing ski and I've heard great things about it. The nice thing about Dynamic is that if you can find them, they tend to be cheap. I've been very impressed with the VR17 but I weigh a bit less than you do (180#).
post #14 of 19
I just picked up Head Supershape Magnum 163cm and took to Sugarloaf in Maine. Prior to that have skied Head Worldcup iSL 160cm, Head XRC1400 163cm, Head XRC 1200 163cm (also took to Sugarloaf) as well as Monster 72, Xenon 9.0,etc. The XRC 1400 used for last year, previous was Head iSL and recently spent a couple days on XRC1200 (loved them) and a bit of time on Supershape Speed (170cm).

Can you tell I do a lot with Head skis???

The Supershape Magnum is amazing! Was skiing on XRC1200 before and loved it but when changing back to XRC1200 after skiing Supershape Magnum for 2 days it felt heavy and slow by comparison. The SS Magnum skis like a slalom ski and with its sandwich construction is extremely lively and still holds. I love this ski! Extra width was somewhat of a concern to me initially but is not apparent when skiing hardpack and the ski is still quick edge to edge. In MArble Mountain a demo was held last week and SS Magnum was also extremely well received.

Trty em all and go with your heart!

Mike
CSIA III
post #15 of 19
I wish I could say I've tried them, but I haven't. Still, extrapolating from my 165 WC SCs and my 165 lbs, I would say that at your weight, the Fischer RC4 WC SL is what you want for take-no prisoners full-blast short-turn skiing, or if you like a solid feel to your ski (again going only by family traits, not experience), go with race stock, Atomic or Nordica SL.
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
Has anyone skied the Stockli Laser SL or Head iSL RD in a 166cm?

Michael
post #17 of 19
Atomicman owns a pair of both, in those sizes.
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Has anyone skied the Stockli Laser SL or Head iSL RD in a 166cm?

Michael
Michael, have you seen Phil's review on the Blizzard Mag SL's?
He and Proskub loved them and he has listed a deal on them in the gear swap!
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...509#post683509
post #19 of 19
I have a pair of 166 cm race stock Fischer World Cup SL's and love them so much I use them everywhere in all conditions. Plus they're amazing in a slalom course, what a bonus

You can't go wrong with this ski.
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