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post #61 of 79
I've had my kids on the cap construction Dynastar Omeglass junior race skis for years now and they perform well. So I'm not sure that the construction is such a big deal at this age.

At Ages 6 and 7 we were using recreational Rossi Rebels and they worked fine. At age 7 (end of season) we moved to the Atomic SL9. At age 9 he moved to the plated Dynastar junior race ski.
post #62 of 79
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I'm not even going to pretend I know what the differences are in construction, and how they relate to the flex of the ski. My guess is sandwich vs. cap is but one factor in the flex of the ski. The Solly is not sandwich, but I'm guessing it's plenty stiff compared to other recreational cap skis. I have no question that he could do well on a recreational or cap construction ski. That's not really my question.

Here's the question: can my 8 yr old racer perform as well (if not better) on Solly Equipe T 3Vs junior race ski (retail $475) with Marker Jr. Race Interface ($150) and Marker M7.0 EPS bindings ($110) versus the "lesser" recreational cap ski? I will only have to pay $200 for the Solly setup (used, mind you, but ONLY races, so basically new). These other "softer" setups will cost me more, for less ski if you will.

I have no experience with either type of ski for a junior racer, other than he skied fine on his 110 cm Fischer RXJs with Fischer bindings that I bought at Play It Again Sports for $150 new. Far from a race ski, but he did great on them. Again, can he do as well, if not better, jumping him up to the 120 Soilly "race" ski?
post #63 of 79
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Originally Posted by dmoney24 View Post
I'm not even going to pretend I know what the differences are in construction, and how they relate to the flex of the ski. My guess is sandwich vs. cap is but one factor in the flex of the ski. The Solly is not sandwich, but I'm guessing it's plenty stiff compared to other recreational cap skis. I have no question that he could do well on a recreational or cap construction ski. That's not really my question.

Here's the question: can my 8 yr old racer perform as well (if not better) on Solly Equipe T 3Vs junior race ski (retail $475) with Marker Jr. Race Interface ($150) and Marker M7.0 EPS bindings ($110) versus the "lesser" recreational cap ski? I will only have to pay $200 for the Solly setup (used, mind you, but ONLY races, so basically new). These other "softer" setups will cost me more, for less ski if you will.

I have no experience with either type of ski for a junior racer, other than he skied fine on his 110 cm Fischer RXJs with Fischer bindings that I bought at Play It Again Sports for $150 new. Far from a race ski, but he did great on them. Again, can he do as well, if not better, jumping him up to the 120 Soilly "race" ski?
In my opinion yes. BTW what is Solly?
post #64 of 79
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Again, can he do as well, if not better, jumping him up to the 120 Soilly "race" ski?
Without seeing him skiing we can only guess. Some of the following with help turn the guess into a guestimate.

1) How many days of skiing per season?
2) How many seasons so far?
3) How many race seasons?
4) Does he carve his GS turns?
5) Does he carve (as much as possible) his SL turns?

When looking at used skis keep in mind that they do have a finite lifespan. I don't know how long the Solly's last, but if they are on their way out he will have a tough time holding an edge with them. How many days have the Solly's been used?
post #65 of 79
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In my opinion yes. BTW what is Solly?
Sorry I'm late to the party - A "Solly" is common jargon for a Salomon. Also, in Western NY, there's a racer named Solly that skis on Salomon.

Back to the originnal question - I have a 4'2" 63.5lb J5 that was on a 120cm Rossi (Rossignol) RSX in a 120 and a Bandit twin tip as a slip, park, tree, and parking lot ski in a 118. He loved them and had an OK season (for a '99 birth year racing as a J5). The best part is watching him try to wrangle a dewalt drill with a rotobrush on it to, "Make my skis as fast as yours."

Life's greatest pleasure is betting your 7 year old $50 if he beats you in the club championship, him negotiating a 15 second buffer and you covering the spread by 0.20sec.

Welcome to the show!! It's super rewarding.

Cheers!
post #66 of 79
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In my opinion yes. BTW what is Solly?
Solly = Salomon
post #67 of 79
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
Without seeing him skiing we can only guess. Some of the following with help turn the guess into a guestimate.

1) How many days of skiing per season?
2) How many seasons so far?
3) How many race seasons?
4) Does he carve his GS turns?
5) Does he carve (as much as possible) his SL turns?

When looking at used skis keep in mind that they do have a finite lifespan. I don't know how long the Solly's last, but if they are on their way out he will have a tough time holding an edge with them. How many days have the Solly's been used?
Thanks again to everyone.

My son has been skiing since he turned 4 years old (November 2003). I was a kid's ski instructor at a local midwest resort (though I've only started downhill skiing myself -- waterskier for many years and needed a winter activity) and he shadowed/joined every single lesson I taught for three seasons. He is extremely strong and athletic (I know, I'm his father, but it's accurate) and does things physically that just can't be taught. He was skiing in parallel, and carving/edging both skis by the middle of that season. He skies everything in sight, and is afraid of nothing (granted, his skiing is in the midwest, so consider that perspective). We went to Indianhead Resort in U.P. Michigan when he was 4, and his instructor had him skiing blacks all over. It freaked his mother out, but she wasn't with him every weekend teaching ski classes like I was. I said GREAT!

This season as a 7 year old was his fourth ski season, and his first race season. He competed in a 3-state midwest junior race league with 4 meets, and by the third event he was medaling (with bump-ups of other racers, of course). He even scored points for the team at the first meet. He did as well or better than third year racers who were in third grade (he's a Nov. kid, so only a first grader). For J6's returning in 2008, he'd be at or near the top for next year, and given his early success and competitive drive, I'm sure he'll do well.

How many days this season? Probably 30. In his life? In four seasons; probably over 100.

He definitely carves his turns in GS, though I'm sure some skidding comes into play frequently in SL, but generally he's carving, even in SL.

The Salomons I'm looking to buy can't even be measured in days skied, but runs. They were literally only used for SL races, two for a meet. Four meets plus Nastar Nationals for the girl who used them. I'm talking maybe 8-12 runs total. Not even the equivalent to one day of practice -- consider them new. However, he will use them for practice and events.

I can't say that "this girl used these skis this past season as a J6, so my son should be able to..." She is a freak of nature. I'm sure there's no one better than her in the country for her age. No exaggeration. She's probably been racing since she could walk. She's bigger than my son now, though he'll certainly grow by next season. But he would be stronger and more developed muscularly now and in 2008.
post #68 of 79
In theory you have all the data you need to answer the question. Based on the times you've seen him on his current skis does he ever over power the skis?

From your description it sounds like he could handle the Sollies, but that's only a guess based on your description above.
post #69 of 79
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overpower?

I wouldn't know whether he overpowers his current skis or not. It just looks like he's ripping them and laying tracks to me. Like I said, I only started skiing myself, and have never raced in my life (except for our year-end picnic a few weeks ago, where I got to run the gates -- it was fun).
post #70 of 79
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I wouldn't know whether he overpowers his current skis or not. It just looks like he's ripping them and laying tracks to me.
If he was overpowering the skis he'd be breaking out of the carve.
post #71 of 79
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If he was overpowering the skis he'd be breaking out of the carve.
Boy, I just don't know. I doubt he's overpowering them.
post #72 of 79
Just my 2 cents.

My daughter is 10 y.o. She is about 4"2' this year and weighs 55-58 pounds. She's been racing in midwest for 5 years now, starting with J6 in WIJARA. We picked her a pair of Fischer WorldCup SL junior in 123 (no race plate in this size but the same construction as an adult race ski) about 3 years ago and she's been very happy with the skies. Originaly they were a little taller than her and she used them for both SL and GS races. Last year we got her 138 Fischer Worldcup GS which are good 4 to 5 inches taller than het height and she loved them right away. She had no problem bending/flexing the skies. Both of these are real (not a cap) construction. As for the boots she was on Lange Team 60 in 19.5 MP for a few years and finally outgrew them. So we got her in the beggining of the season Technica Race Pro 70 (20.5 MP) with flex index of 65 in this size. Again no problem bending the boots.
post #73 of 79
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Thanks. Was your daughter a J5 this year? How did she do? Did she ski for Four Lakes or Wilmot? Seems like she would have been starting on those skis when she was quite a bit younger and smaller than what I'm even looking to do with my son (though those must have been her skis in her 2nd year as a J6?), so it certainly looks like I'm on the right track, or at least a workable track.
post #74 of 79
I also have difficulties deciding what to get for my daughter next season. She's now 8 and have skied on Dynastar Omeglass (cap) in 120 cm in SL. For next season we want to get better skis (the Dynastar cap's are crap) but i don't know if we should go with 125 or 130 cm. I think Head and Atomic has skis around 125 cm. If we go with 130 cm we have more skis to choose from. The Head feels so heavy and the binding looks so BIG. The Atomics are also cap.

She has Dynastar 140 cm GS skis and to next season she's also gonna have Dynastar 147 cm to choose from (from her brother).

What do you think 125 or 130 in SL?

Here are some vids from some races this winter.

SL:
http://www.skiteam.se/filmer2006/Emma_KM_2007_ak1.mpg
http://www.skiteam.se/filmer2006/Emm...a_2007_ak2.mpg

GS: http://www.skiteam.se/filmer2006/MC_...7_Emma_ak1.mpg
http://www.skiteam.se/filmer2006/Emm...y_2007_ak1.mpg

Thanks!
post #75 of 79
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For next season we want to get better skis (the Dynastar cap's are crap)...
Are those the plated Dynastar Team Omeglass skis? I've used those for two racers up through age 11 and they were great.
post #76 of 79
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...but i don't know if we should go with 125 or 130 cm.
My kids have raced with SL skis that are between chin and nose height. Its a guide that has worked well for us.
post #77 of 79
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Are those the plated Dynastar Team Omeglass skis? I've used those for two racers up through age 11 and they were great.
Team Omeglass with a plastic plate built in to the binding (Team 7 Maxplate). Great ski to start with but the quality is very bad. It's too thin and becomes convex or concave. Very hard to stone grind flat because it's so thin.
post #78 of 79
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Team Omeglass with a plastic plate built in to the binding (Team 7 Maxplate). Great ski to start with but the quality is very bad. It's too thin and becomes convex or concave. Very hard to stone grind flat because it's so thin.
Sounds different then what I am using. Ours have a plate on the ski and we use the Look Pivot bindings.
post #79 of 79
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
Sounds different then what I am using. Ours have a plate on the ski and we use the Look Pivot bindings.
Sounds like an older ski. Is it white, blue and grayish?

Today (at least 2004/2005-2006/2007)they have

Team Omeglass 120,130, 140, 148 cm, a capped ski with poor quality and the Team 7 Maxplate binding:
http://www.dynastar.com/product.php?...t=65&acturub=1

Then they have the Team Omeglass Comp, a much better ski (sandwich) with a real plate and the Pivot binding. They start at 136 cm:
http://www.dynastar.com/product.php?...t=65&pl_next=0
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