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camelback closes lifts .. it snowed

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Report from Camelback yesterday was that they were only operating "The Bailey", an old slow double.

They shut down the quads because .... "there was snow on them".

I think I know the real answer and it has to do with _ _ _ _ _ !

How many other hills in the N/E shut ops yesterday because it snowed?
post #2 of 23
I would venture to say none.
post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 
I makes you wonder why they would run an old slow clunker that is soooooooo slow, that in the spring you can watch the flowers bloom.

Why subject the "paying guests" to those conditions in a winter storm when the high speed quads are right there?

The lifts go up the same ridge line just a stones toss from each other so wind and exposure are the same.
post #4 of 23
Not defending Camelback.

Detachables do have the problem that;

If there is abundant new snow, and it is wet snow and it blows into the top & bottom terminals, then it can create problems with the accelerators and decelerators that help the detachable speed up and slow down. This can play hell with chair spacing. It can take quite some time for the Lift Maint. crew to get the machinery cleared off and operational again.

A wet spring storm such as what has hit the east coast may (MAY) have caused this to be an issue.
post #5 of 23
Unless there were like three skiers at the hill, I bet they just didn't feel like explaining the real reason that they couldn't run those lifts. If there were only a few people on the hill, it could be they didn't want to spend the money.
post #6 of 23
There's lies the probable truth Ghost
post #7 of 23
was at blue mtn on friday and overheard a similar comment about cammelback. blue on the other hand no problem running their high speed six pack and it was so empty and snowing/sleeting so hard by the time you finished a run and made it back up the tracks were almost already covered. not bad for midde of march in PA!
post #8 of 23
I heard Snowshoe, WV shut down several of their lifts over the weekend for the same reason - ice on chair lift cable/machinery. I suppose some mtn managers may play this more conservatively than others making for inconsistent run lift/not run lift decisions. And creating confusion among the public.
On the other hand, the cost saving reason can never be ruled out.
post #9 of 23
I was at the shoe today and all lifts (except 1) were running. Pretty sure it was the same on Sat. Although, the temps never got above 20, and the snow was light and fluffy, not wet..................
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
Many rumblings and rumors about the new ownership of Camelback, lots of cost cutting and that the new owner is going to "flip the property.

Alleged too that they could not get enough help to run the lifts (blame it on the employees?), this may be true if they had cut folks after they showed up for their shift only to be sent home if anticipated ticket sales were not up to expectations.

How many times would you drive in just to get sent home?

Camelback has been known as of late, as the hill that closes early to get the waterpark up and running. They trip over themselves to get the snow cleared to get at the wading pools and water rides that are under a cover of snow. This has been pizzing off many of the season pass holders.

I guess you set your priorities by the $$$$ and the cash cow is the water park so that skiing has taken a back seat.
post #11 of 23
Skied Snowshoe on saturday and sunday and all lifts except for grabhammer were open. Snowed all day and night on saturday and conditions on sunday were spectacular. I hope to squeeze out one more trip there this year as my local hill (whitetail pa.) has decided to pull the plug with lots of snow left on the trails. There just aren't enough skiers to justify staying open.
post #12 of 23
On the possible mechanical difficulties front the Super Chief at Belleayre was shut down for much of the day on Sunday following 24" of new snow Friday into Saturday.
post #13 of 23
+1 on the wet snow/ice theory.

HSD lifts are quite the devil's work in conditions where wet snow and/or ice is part of the equation. There are far more moving parts on HSD lifts, andf they are all about these parts working in sync with each other, with more-or-less pinpoint timing.

The storm in question not only dumped snow, but also dumped some sleet and freezing rain near the end of its run. Thus, resort management may have 86ed the HDS lifts to give them a chance to be cleaned off and checked out before being opened to the public.

After all, if there's one thing more annoying than a closed HSD, it's having the HSD strand skiers on chairs because of a mechanical incident.
post #14 of 23
i just love all the chairlift 'experts' there are here . Snow on a chairlift, oh nooooo. GoD forbid such a thing.
Sounds like the resort dropped the ball, couldn't get the problem corrected before opening, so rather than put more Lift techs on the job, we will just close it for the day,, never mind it was one of the biggest single day dumps
Camalback take a lesson from Timberline and Mt. Hood Medows, Both located in Oregon, when it comes to dealing with ice and snow build up over night. The will actually pull the chairs off their upper mtn. lifts and run the haul rope all night long. Come first light, they send out the lift techs with brass mallets to bang ice off towers and other peices and parts of the lift. At least the public out there UNDERSTANDS why the lift can't open.
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by tahoetr View Post
i just love all the chairlift 'experts' there are here . Snow on a chairlift, oh nooooo. GoD forbid such a thing.
Sounds like the resort dropped the ball, couldn't get the problem corrected before opening, so rather than put more Lift techs on the job, we will just close it for the day,, never mind it was one of the biggest single day dumps
Camalback take a lesson from Timberline and Mt. Hood Medows, Both located in Oregon, when it comes to dealing with ice and snow build up over night. The will actually pull the chairs off their upper mtn. lifts and run the haul rope all night long. Come first light, they send out the lift techs with brass mallets to bang ice off towers and other peices and parts of the lift. At least the public out there UNDERSTANDS why the lift can't open.
You have to have somewhere to put the chairs. Not every mountain can take all the chairs off the rope. The thing can ice up while it is running too. I have been on the Fourrunner at Stowe when it has iced up midday and shut down.
post #16 of 23
Correction, the report of lift closures I heard about Snowshoe, WV pertained to Friday, March 16. Apparently due to ice. By St. Paddy's Day they were all running again:
"Western Territory (WT) was closed yesterday (3/16) as were all trails serviced by detachable lifts due to freezing rain. All back open today (3/17)(including WT -- skied over there for a couple hours)."
post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 
"Epic post whore Yuki" ....

Well thank you "GrilledSteezeSandwich" ... :

Was I ripping off your PaSki&Ride stuff? Well, since Camelback canned their own forum, I do scan over there for the "news & views" and it sounds like things are "same old, same old" over there.

The truth is probably somewhere in between the lack of employees and the mechanical issues.

And that's .... "post ho' .. " to you and at least I don't hide behind different names on different forums.

The last time they had a big time shutdown during a powder dump was when the governor asked the ski areas to close.

The pity is that Camelback has the potential to be one of the best areas in the Pocono's and that they are compromising that and I guess willingly letting the ski end of the business go over to Blue. Where are you going to go when you head out at 5:30 in the am .... guessing what may or may not be open? I know a lot of flolks who have switched to Blue and never looked back.

Like your PA forum said .... Blue was making snow for the past few days what were the other areas doing?
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Jamesj View Post
Correction, the report of lift closures I heard about Snowshoe, WV pertained to Friday, March 16. Apparently due to ice. By St. Paddy's Day they were all running again:
"Western Territory (WT) was closed yesterday (3/16) as were all trails serviced by detachable lifts due to freezing rain. All back open today (3/17)(including WT -- skied over there for a couple hours)."

Yep, that was my report on DCski. At Snowshoe, the big weekend snow dump was preceded by some light freezing rain on Friday (in fact, the bulk of the powder came as a wrap-around the next 2 days). They occasionally shut down the detachable lifts when freezing rain accumulates on the cable, because it poses a safety concern -- the grips may not clamp back down securely. I have noticed this procedure at a few other ski areas in the mid-Atlantic, and it is probably the case in other regions as well (but they may get fewer freezing rain events so it's not as common).
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by tahoetr View Post
i just love all the chairlift 'experts' there are here . Snow on a chairlift, oh nooooo. GoD forbid such a thing.
Sounds like the resort dropped the ball, couldn't get the problem corrected before opening, so rather than put more Lift techs on the job, we will just close it for the day,, never mind it was one of the biggest single day dumps
Camalback take a lesson from Timberline and Mt. Hood Medows, Both located in Oregon, when it comes to dealing with ice and snow build up over night. The will actually pull the chairs off their upper mtn. lifts and run the haul rope all night long. Come first light, they send out the lift techs with brass mallets to bang ice off towers and other peices and parts of the lift. At least the public out there UNDERSTANDS why the lift can't open.

Uh, do you always have to be such an A-hole?
post #20 of 23
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Uh, do you always have to be such an A-hole?
So your mother must be really proud of you, For using such words.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by tahoetr View Post
So your mother must be really proud of you, For using such words.

Are you kidding me? Shes just happy I have a job and can type with 2 fingers.
post #22 of 23
ya one finger from each hand. bet she still makes your bed too. And enusres your sack lunch is made, then gives you a peck on the cheek, have a good day honey see you after school.
post #23 of 23
That sounds actually pretty good! Sign me up!
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