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post #1 of 22
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My league championship race.

2 Runs. Gotta finish both for a score.

DNF on Run #2.:

Video including slo-mo

Let's hear it coaches. I can take it. Video should be up shortly if not already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDXgV6nkxwY
post #2 of 22
Thread Starter 

Ps...

Turn up the sound!

Show your age. Name that tune and band...
post #3 of 22
I'm not qualified to MA, but the song is Blitzkrieg Bop by the Ramones.

I gotta ask though, did you purposely sync up the lyric "backseat" with the moment you went into the backseat before your crash in slo-mo? Nice touch!

PS - nice video production.
post #4 of 22
Ramones, of course. Very appropriate lyrics. They must've skied.
post #5 of 22
You were banking most turns, you're in the backseat (hips waaaay back), your hands aren't driving, pressure late in the turn, lots of rotary...

What I like is that you're really throwing them out there and going for it. If you could get that upper body in front of your skis and level, you would be laying down some serious tracks.

Do you have mental issues with this particular pitch that would cause you to back off? Were you late coming in at the top? Just curious. You started driving again once you got to the bottom.

I do the same thing.
post #6 of 22
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Good Stuff Mike. Mental issues? Yes actually. The race format is two runs and if you don't finish run 1 you are done for the day. So #1 you want to finish your first run. Added pressure was that teams are six people - top 4 finishers count for points. Our "Star" is a 52 yo Masters woman who had to skip to race in a downhill event. Another good racer called in sick. So we wound up with 4 racers (of 6) and scored two plats, a gold and a DNF (moi). Oh well - would not have put us on the Podium anyway. Run #1 was a silver for me.:

So Run #2 - gotta get after it - with obvious results... Patience patience patience...!!!

That top pitch was tough. Lots of DNFs besides me. I will post some other crashes and also some kids who ripped!

PS. I just turned 38 - Oldest Racer (who finished by the way) 70.
post #7 of 22
You ski well and I bet that you rip something good outside the course. Alas, this doesn't show up in the vid for two reasons:
1) You are way round and late thus making carving a difficult affair. As was said, you bank a lot and you follow your skis. Many turns, the pressure comes WAY below the gate wich is akin to putting the brakes after cornering in a sports car because you didn't set up the turn properly.
2) You are very static and in defensive mode.

Racing is a weird sport. Sometimes people ski like they just got a lesson and they have fast times... but they have something, desire to go fast. So, to fix this, in this order:

Technical work
1) Initiate your turns by recentering your CM and projecting it in next turn direction. In other words, inclinate instead of bank (youcanski has the best examples and articles explaining this). This will set up the turn and allow you to carve a tighter, more direct line. Working on counter-rotation will also provide for a more stable/versatile base.

Tacitcal work
2) Apply pressure earlier and let them run after the gate.
3) Look ahead, do not take the race course one gate at a time. While this may be recomforting, but it means that you are not negotiating the race course but are instead repairing the previous turns' errors and miscalculations.
4) Double pole touches, especially on the tighter sections.
5) Get nearer to the gate. One of my coaches used to tell racers: whack every gate on the way down and you'll be set. While this is not what I'd recommend to someone who has issues with a defensive mindset and troubles with line, just tell yourself that gates are not scary and that going near them is not going to hurt you (to much).
6) Work on your tuck. The way you are doing it right now is not efficient. Look at how the top racers (Masters, FIS, WC) are doing it and replicate it: hips lowerish, arms in front, SHOULDERS in front and back slightly rounded.
post #8 of 22
I know someone who can ski a 7 handicap who crashed on his first run in that race and didn't even get a second run so don't feel bad.
post #9 of 22
I don't know how wualified I am to give MA but I'll throw in my 2 cents anyways. Your vids were fun to watch.

The big things I saw were your late turns and the tuck.

Turns: I think you could try to initiate your turn a little earlier and hold it a little longer to be able to do so on the next turn. This, I believe, will allow you to carve more rather than skid, and give you less loss of speed. Leaning forward a tad bit more would help as well.

Tuck: It's really not all that effective if you're just standing up like that. I see that you are not making a common mistake: you know to hold your hands up in your face, rather than down by your sides. However, either get rid of it or try to lower down so that your head is the only point on your torso that is touching air. Modern ski racing has a great article that I really used and I think has helped my tuck a lot. In the little animations, see how the figure had his head really low, hands up by the chin (which you are already doing nicely), and elbows even down by his knees. The main point is elongating yourself parallel to the hill rather than perpendicular to it. But the article also deals with knowing when to use the tuck, and I think you might cross it off your list entirely for a course that tight.


Here's that article:
http://www.modernskiracing.com/Bully.php
post #10 of 22
Plant your pole as soon as you pass the gate and start your new turn by getting forward. That would fix many of your problems. Just make sure you're constantly driving toward the bottom of the hill and getting out of your turns early.
post #11 of 22
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Thanks Coaches! Good stuff. That is a tough pitch. I have some great video of other crashes and some nice runs on that section. Editing it up now and posting shortly.

Billy Ray, I do believe I am of those guys who looks like a spaz but posts decent times. (Last week of season -@12 - was a blow off week with a coat)

http://www.nastar.com/index.jsp?page...p&compid=75090

Will work on the plants. Easy tip. Ditto on the Tuck.

As for angulation, I am pretty fit but unfortunately "stumpy" and my torso and hips do not like to bend "correctly". Ha!

Need to get on the Tai Chi and core ball excercises! Incidentally, jumping up and sticking the landing on an excercise ball is not humanly possible!:

Anybody else? Love it!
post #12 of 22
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FYI - here is the video of some good racing and good crashes from the same race.

Note how the fast guys are charging and making Bode-esque athletic corrections on a tough course. The most impressive to me are the "Fast Women." These young women ROCK IT. Also a decent "good save" segment. Checkout the guy at the end of the segment who almost turns around the undergate. Du-oh! Nice correction! Crash sequence at the end including mine. Turn up the sound!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbvspWAHIto
post #13 of 22
Nice shots R256. Yes the women were definitely rocking therr and MUCH smoother through the 2 gates at the top of the pitch. I noticed the fast men seemed to be having to throw them sideways a lot more. Getting a bit tight for a longish GS ski perhaps?
post #14 of 22
Nice videos.

Lots of good advice here.

But, aren't you guys allowed to hit the gates?
post #15 of 22
Looks like the women might be younger and probably former USSA or NCAA/USCSA racers of recent vintage.
post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 
Yah some young retired college blood there. Really dress up the bar post race!
Woodee - don't be a wise guy. If getting on the gates in this course was faster, you dont think the varsity kids here would be on it?

Pitch is tougher than it looks.
post #17 of 22
Yeah, sorry about the smart-ass comment without any substance …

The hill looks great, and the course set looks fun, but yes I do think faster skiers would be getting on the gates.

It’s still a GS and he who is closest to the line wins. You can’t be that close to the line if those gates aren’t in your way.

The first two skiers in the “fast runs” piece seem to be on ‘em more. I’m going with the obvious guess that the first skier was the winner? I bet the third skier was the oldest.

Like I said there’s lots of good advice here, but it can only help so much if you’re skiing further than the others.
post #18 of 22
Lots of "pinching" that second gate (right footer) It's hard to critique technique if the tactics are off.
Finsh your turns and "turn in" on the "rise line" above the gate.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by Racer256 View Post
FYI - here is the video of some good racing and good crashes from the same race.
Note how the fast guys are charging and making Bode-esque athletic corrections on a tough course. The most impressive to me are the "Fast Women." These young women ROCK IT. Also a decent "good save" segment. Checkout the guy at the end of the segment who almost turns around the undergate. Du-oh! Nice correction! Crash sequence at the end including mine. Turn up the sound!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbvspWAHIto
LAUGH OUT LOUD !!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, Racer 256, thanks so much for this link. I finally tuned in. So much fun. My team missed going to the Great Race by 4; we were # 34, but only the top 30 teams made it. I would have crashed for sure. So much fun watching this video.

Thanks for the laughs.
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by Woodee View Post
Yeah, sorry about the smart-ass comment without any substance I’m going with the obvious guess that the first skier was the winner? I bet the third skier was the oldest.
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Not necessarily the oldest. You'd be surprised.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
Not necessarily the oldest. You'd be surprised.
Hmm. I guessed the third guy was the fastest 'old' guy' because of some bamboo era tendency in his style/technique. I certainly didn't mean the oldest ...
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by songfta View Post
Looks like the women might be younger and probably former USSA or NCAA/USCSA racers of recent vintage.
The fastest woman was co-captain of a Division I college team. She is helping her Dad try to win the thing, and it would have worked, but he screwed up his run.

I always say work on one thing at a time. You are turning later than Bode Miller. He can get away with it. The rest of us can't.
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