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Good older (3-4 yr) bump/all around ski?

post #1 of 19
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First year back after 14 years off; skiing on a 193cm GS ski. I was sure I would stick to cruising, but...cannot keep these old knees out of the bumps. Unfortunately, a Volkl GS ski is not well designed for zipperlines. Great for high speed cruising, but not as a bump ski. So, I have been researching used equipment, but where in the heck do I start? There are just so many different models out there it is now next to impossible to choose a used ski. Sorry, I have always believed in buying used skis, as long as there is still some camber in it, I can always repair the base and edges myself.

What am I looking for? A ski that is very manouverable in the bumps, but will also handle all mountain skiing (glades, groomers, but since I ski in the east, no need for handling powder or off piste.) Oh yeah, looking for something that will not break the bank. I could go out and buy a pair of Scott park skis, but well beyond my budget. I figure I am also going to blow up my boots before the end of the year (still using a Nordica 981 from the late 80s, early 90s and they are feeling really soft) so I need to budget for those as well. All feedback appreciated. (Damn, I am mad I did not pick up some of those cheap dynastars before CUppolo's went bankrupt!)
post #2 of 19
Weight? Ability? Ratio of bump use to all-mountain use?

I just picked up a pair of 04/05 Rossignol B1's as my 90% bump ski/10% all-mountain use ski. That year's B1 suppposed to be a great bump ski, and you can get them pretty cheap on eBay.
post #3 of 19
Any mid fat ski without metal.

Salomon X-Scream was the best selling ski of all time, there should be some used pairs floating around---cheap.

The Rossi Bandit X was an exceptional bump ski.

Dynastar Concept/ Candide.

Avoid Volkl Vertigos, they bend easily.
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by moguljunkie View Post
Weight? Ability? Ratio of bump use to all-mountain use?

I just picked up a pair of 04/05 Rossignol B1's as my 90% bump ski/10% all-mountain use ski. That year's B1 suppposed to be a great bump ski, and you can get them pretty cheap on eBay.
5' 9", 170 lbs; as for ability - everyone overstates, but very aggressive in the bumps (there's a surprise, didn't think the knees could still take it. Can still crank down the bumps and throw a 360 and keep going, all on a GS ski). I skied bumps exclusively for 6 years, but probably looking for these skis for a 50 - 50 mix of bumps & short radius on steeps. I will be keeping my GS skis for high speed, bigger mountain cruising.

I will check out the B1s and maybe some X Screams, but there are so many different X screams out there, need to research to see which will stand up to abuse in the bumps.
post #5 of 19
My all time favorite ski for bumps is the K2 ModX / AxisX. The XScream was OK in Bumps It had a rather stiff tail that took me some time getting use to. the Bandit is also very good.
post #6 of 19
These same skis keep coming up on threads like this.
K2 Axis X, ModX, Apache X, Bandit B1, B2
I have the 2004 Bandit B1 which is a fine ski for bumps and all around unless a big powder day. I also have demoed the Apache X which is about same dimensions. Te newer Bandit B1's have not been received as well as the older model.


http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=39037

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=40441
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by bumpdad View Post
These same skis keep coming up on threads like this.
K2 Axis X, ModX, Apache X, Bandit B1, B2
I have the 2004 Bandit B1 which is a fine ski for bumps and all around unless a big powder day. I also have demoed the Apache X which is about same dimensions. Te newer Bandit B1's have not been received as well as the older model.


http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=39037

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=40441
How do I tell which is the older model? Are the topsheets different to allo wme to determine which is which?
post #8 of 19
Yes, let me find a link for you.

http://www.evogear.com/skis/rossigno...t-b1-2007.aspx

http://www.snowrental.net/skiing/ski...bandit-b1.html

not the best links, but you get the picture (pun intended)
post #9 of 19
Have owned both the old B1 and the X-Scream Series; agree strongly about former, disagree about latter. OK in bumps, but not in the same league.
post #10 of 19
Dynastar 8000 is a recent ski, but might be to your liking. Here's a pair for sale: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=53663 (the 172 length is a close call at your weight).

Just got back from skiing my B1's for the first time. Incredible in the bumps! So light and nimble. Very low top speed on the groomers, though. I'm on a 170 (approx. 160 lbs). For you, 176 would be good and you'd get a higher speed limit. Check eBay.
post #11 of 19
You can get brand new public enemies for ~$200 on ebay....my wife actually enjoys moguls & bumped up tree skiing with her new 169s.
post #12 of 19
Here's a tangentially-related question:

I have a 2-year-old pair of Volkl 4-stars (161cm, no metal, just wood/foam/fiberglass, I think). I think it's a little worn out, although I could be wrong. I haven't really done moguls with them as I generally hate moguls. At the same time, I haven't really tried and all I've been focusing on is clean carving.

I'm 5'8", 155#, trying to become a solid Level 8.

What do you guys think of these skis as bump skis? I suspect it is a little long for bump skis, no? If they could work, is there some tune (more like detune) that I should try?
post #13 of 19
PE's are good in the bumps, older version with 80mm underfoot a bit more nimble. Wouldn't call the 85mm PE a bump ski however. Good all Mt ski that works in the bumps as well. Good review of the PE's and Karma's on this site from today or yesterday.

no experience with the volkls
post #14 of 19
there's also alot of the old red/black k2 enemies on ebay for cheap-mid seventies underfoot, semi twin-tip, good all mountain, good in the bumps
post #15 of 19
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there's also alot of the old red/black k2 enemies on ebay for cheap-mid seventies underfoot, semi twin-tip, good all mountain, good in the bumps
I have seen a lot of the K2 enemies out there and they do seem to get good reviews. May be the way I end up going, prices seem right. Research is narrowing the selection down to the Enemies & Bandits. Thanks to all for their input

Most likely going to wait a few weeks/months to buy them as the season is winding down quickly up here. I am pulling the old rock skis out of the garage this weekend. Even though it looks like the hills have good coverage, we have only had two real snowstorms in Montreal and the base depths are really thin. A few days of warm weather and some of the "non-snow type precipitation" and we will be jumping rocks and stumps shortly.
post #16 of 19
Dynastar twisters! I'm a Volkl guy but love these skis! They are made for bumps but do everything well except heavy crud and powder. I was shocked at the stab and edge hold. At only 200.00 I'm in heaven!
post #17 of 19
Any suggestions for me? at 6'4" 225# I'm having trouble believing a 179 is going to be enough ski and at least on ebay that seems to be the longest available in most of the models mentioned here. Been awhile but I used to ski Rossi 4m 195 and after that Volkl P9 SLC 203.. I loved the Volkl because compared to others at the time it was great in the bumps and still stable at speed.
post #18 of 19
The PE's come in a 179, but I read on a different thread that K2 measures their skies slightly different, but i could be entirely wrong as usual (according to my fiancee). I would look into the Volkl karma in a 185 if I were you.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by bobbutts View Post
Any suggestions for me? at 6'4" 225# I'm having trouble believing a 179 is going to be enough ski and at least on ebay that seems to be the longest available in most of the models mentioned here. Been awhile but I used to ski Rossi 4m 195 and after that Volkl P9 SLC 203.. I loved the Volkl because compared to others at the time it was great in the bumps and still stable at speed.

I used to rock the Rossi 4M. I have a pair of 190cm Dynastar Assaults mogul skis. Great mogul ski for the heavier rider. Very good condition, light use, top sheets excellent. Can't go wrong $80 shipped. PM email for pics.
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