Originally Posted by mrzinwin
what if someone can't ski a tight line in powder, but still enjoys skiing powder. What if someone enjoys skiing that "z" line? Are you prepared to argue that he has no right to ski where he wants to (even though he actually does have that right)? That's bull. If you're not endangering others, and you're not breaking any rules of the resort, you have the right to ski wherever you want, however you want. You don't have to listen to some elitist condescending ski snobs who make up their own rules and expect others to follow them.
When you own your own ski resort, you can make up whatever rules you want. Until then, you need to keep those little rules to yourself.
I gotta admit I'm on the same side as this guy. I know what all you fall line only guys are talking about, but you just can't expect someone who can't make those turns, but still wants to tour that part of the mountain, from doing what they want to do, unless you own the mountain. And if you want this perfect world of fall line skiing, you are going to need Obama to socialize skiing and require licenses. It would take something of this scale to accomplish what you want. Not just a thread on the internet where us guys that "know better" get to see it.
Originally Posted by Ghost
Lifts should go to the top. I didn't buy a lift ticket so I could go cross-country skiing.
Ding, Ding, Ding! As I said before, the fall line only guys are asking people to know some counter intuitive rule of getting to the top of the mountain and looking for a way to work really hard to traverse...and for a person to A) know this when they go skiing once a year, once every five years, or even 5 times a year is absurd, and B) to give a rats ass...just, good luck with that. I'd throw a guess out there that resorts don't enforce any thing like this because the guys that do follow these rules are the ones that have season passes and the resort makes less money on them than the lift ticket purchaser. So their interest is not to please you guys, but allow the lift ticket guys to do whatever they want. If they cared about you traversers, everthing would be roped off.
Originally Posted by Mr. Crab
Hey, it's simple. Let's assume that everyone likes fresh, untracked powder. I've drawn a simple diagram of Alta's Devil's Castle. Gallant, in blue, and his 50 clones have all lined up patiently for their shot at fresh powder that heli skiers pay the big $ for. If everyone heads more or less straight down the fall line according to his/her best ability, it preserves the untracked stuff longer, some people, if they hit it at the rope drop can even lap it three or four times if their lungs hold out for the climb. The lower traverse, dotted line, is the bail out for the less fit, usually cut by patrol. It mostly crosses a natural saddle, so it doesn't disrupt a whole lot, but cutting alternate traverses above or below will of course, put a pretty big bump in the untracked.
Now Goofus, in red, is really tired of slogging along behind Gallant, and he's not really into long traverses and hell, he paid for a lift ticket, so he drops in early and cuts diagonally across the hill. His twin brother above on the higher traverse is fit enough to get up there, but it's steep, and he's just a beginner on his snowboard (he smuggled it in) so he " Zorro's" the powder. Now, Jer and others get really pissed off at this. Can the class tell me why? This shouldn't be so hard....
Don't ever lay cable in the lineup.Trust me, it's a mistake.
This is a wonderful drawing depicting this, and I think it was alta where someone said people make 50 different "cable" tracks, that would become annoying. However, there is only so much powder, and to get it, the early bird gets the worm. It's like playing golf on fresh greens in the morning and tracked up greens in the afternoon. Idiots are going to make it to the course, it's up to you to beat them out there. They are not going to rake bunkers, fix ball marks or replace divots. IT....IS....PART OF THE GAME. Also, (flame away) I do not like making cute little jib turns. I do not think it is as fun as making big arching turns like boarders. So I am still a day ruiner for you guys, but I wouldn't change anything I do because of some gripe, unless I was in the wrong.