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Backside ski for big finesse guy

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Bears, need some ski recs for the son of a friend. This guy's 6'4", low 200's, early 30's, a real mountain man (hiked all of the 14'ers, used to do serious rock and ice climbing), lives in Albuquerque. He's skied for years on a pair of my old Salomon X-Scream series, 187 cm, which were a vast improvement for him over his 207 Rossi 9's. I'd say he's an old school expert - skis together, riding high, but nice edge control, can handle anything on the mountain well. Oddly for such a big guy, more of a finesse skier, light touch, looks before he leaps. Not into tricks.

Anyway, he lost one of his X-Screams at Silverton (yep he skied deep pow in them), and has been demoing. Is looking particularly for something to handle backside steeps, chutes, big bumps, pow. So far he likes the Tornado (can't find a Fury to demo), doesn't much like the B2 or B3. I've been recommending the usual big guy suspects: iM82/88, 777, AC4. But given that he skis light, wants bump performance and the occasional front side carve, I'm wondering now if I should be recommending beefy twins to him - something like a PE, BT, Karma, or Mojo 90. Other ideas?

I'd appreciate your input.
post #2 of 22
Atomic snoop daddy.
post #3 of 22
186 Dynastar Legend Pro Rider
post #4 of 22
I'll second the snoop daddy.
post #5 of 22
Third the Snoop with a nod to the Fury too.

SJ
post #6 of 22
Stockli Stormrider XL - 184 cm
or
Stockli Scot Schmidt



M777 would be a good call too. There are so good deals on them right now. but, I think the M777 and LP might be little clunky in big bumps that you find at places like Taos (unless you go really short).

I'm own XL, M777 and LPs. All have great edge hold that make you feel secure in a steep chute that is a little firm. All are also pretty tolerate of old school technique.
post #7 of 22
scott missions - does all he wants and can handle that pow - in a 185cm
post #8 of 22
Fourth the snoop daddy. Worthy of a demo for sure.
post #9 of 22
at 6'4 200+ he will way overpower the snoops. at 6'4 175 myself the snoops basically folded when I demoed them (also my dad who is 6'6" and 215 demoed them a while back and thought they were noodles as well and lacked edge hold on ice)

The Stockli's sound like a good idea to me.
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
at 6'4 175 myself the snoops basically folded when I demoed them (also my dad who is 6'6" and 215 demoed them a while back and thought they were noodles as well and lacked edge hold on ice)

The Stockli's sound like a good idea to me.
5'11" 205 pounds here. No folding on the snoops for me. I have a feeling he'll love the snoops if he enjoyed the tornado. I preferred the snoops to the fury in all conditions myself. Their icehold is probably their shortfall but I was recommending them based on the fact that your friend is looking for an easygoing ski with backside bias that can be skied in the bumps. I also like all of your big buy suspects. I'd be surprised if he didn't find a winner between the im82, 88, 777, and AC4 (or the Snoops).
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
at 6'4 200+ he will way overpower the snoops. at 6'4 175 myself the snoops basically folded when I demoed them (also my dad who is 6'6" and 215 demoed them a while back and thought they were noodles as well and lacked edge hold on ice)

The Stockli's sound like a good idea to me.
Remember this person has been desribed as having a light touch and is a finese skier. I can't imagine the snoop "folding" under a good finese skier.
post #12 of 22
If he can find a good pair of the old Atomic R:ex, I'm sure he like them. They have some beef so a big guy doesn't have to worry that he will over power the ski. They also respond well to a light touch. I always thought of them asa backside GS ski. The only area they don't like is bumps. They can be a handful, still doable but not really the best ski for Bumps. Atomic has released a newer version called da Money.
post #13 of 22
I would recommend the Atomic M:EXs in 185 cm. You can pick new ones up on e-bay for the buy it now price of $399 for last year's model skis and bindings. Original retail was $1,100. If he's got some Neox bindings the skis alone are only $199 (orig. $799). It is a screaming deal on a solid ski that will do everything he wants. I'm 6'5" and 215 lbs and I just scored a pair to replace my R:EXs. They appear to have almost the identical flex, with a little more sidecut and damping. A bit beefier than the Snoops, and a real good big guy all-mountain ski.
post #14 of 22
I'm 5-10" (195), Jed Peters is 5-9" (over 225) neither of us fold the Snoop.

Jed is not exactly a lightfoot either. (he skis a Head RD 96)

SJ
post #15 of 22

How about AT?

I'm going to go a little BC/Maggot here and suggest maybe k2 shuksan's, mt bakers or G3 barons mounted with Fritschi Diamirs. Any of these will do well on the occasional front side run, and since he is a serious mountain man he will also be able to throw a pair of skins on them, undo the heels and boldly go where few have gone before.

I think my next set up will probably be AT and these are some of the skis I am looking at.
post #16 of 22
the snoops seem to be very popular - but aren't they very light ? for a big guy that skis with finesse surely something heavier would be better/
post #17 of 22
Why would heavier be better???

SJ
post #18 of 22
I am said 'big finesse guy'. Thanks for all the responses! I just tried to get some snoop daddys from SierraJim, but out of stock at 185cm. The guy on the phone suggested Dynastar Legend 8800 at 188cm. Thoughts?

Mark
post #19 of 22

mythic riders

Maybe SierraJim can get you some dynastar mythic riders. the replacement to the 8800. Jim has skied it and notes it adds some beef to the 8800. It dimensions are similar to the head im88 and the snoop.
all in all that width is becoming a classic all mtn shape.
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by markhyams View Post
I am said 'big finesse guy'. Thanks for all the responses! I just tried to get some snoop daddys from SierraJim, but out of stock at 185cm. The guy on the phone suggested Dynastar Legend 8800 at 188cm. Thoughts?

Mark
Mark:

Sorry that you missed out on that Snoop 185. I honestly like the Snoop better, although the 88 is a great ski and is better in crud than the Snoop. Quite a few folks prefer the 88 over the Snoop and it really comes down to taste.

Got suggested the Mythic and that is another really good ski although it is stiffer than either the 88 or the Snoop. I did get in a small batch of Mythics and very surprisingly sold all of them in a week ('cept for one that I'm hoarding for somebody I know). However, the longest that is available is a 178 and AFAIK the 184 won't be available this spring. (I could be wrong about that becuz I really didn't ask)

SJ
post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 
Big guy Mark pulled the trigger on some 185 Snoops at a good price (Christy's), will be using them soon so I'll get on him to report back. Thanks for the useful feedback, all.
post #22 of 22

report

Hi all, and thanks again for the recommendations. I got to try out my new Snoop Daddy 185s at Wolf Creek for two days a week ago. At first they were a bit of a shock, because I had been skiing on too-short demos all season (for some reason shops don't like to have long skis to rent). But once I realized that I had to do a little more than just think about turning, like actually making a physical effort (those 174s turn whilst just pondering the idea of a turn), I got really into them.

The hill had highly variable conditions, due to new snow and warm, sunny mid-days coupled with cloudy, colder late-afternoons. I skied up to a foot of fresh pow, sun-crusted crud, icy moguls, groomers, steep trees, and I have to say I am totally satisfied. They float through the powder, bust up the crud. At first I though I was 'overpowering' them, with some chatter on the steeps, but then I realized I was just skiing them with too much brute force, and once I let the ski do its thing, and ride them in the middle, it all made sense. I just wish I had some time to get up to Silverton this season, but it's just not gonna happen. Till next season!

Mark
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