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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Went to Mammoth for a ski trip this past week. I brought my quiver of AC4. Gotomas and for giggles my old Rossi CUT11.5(the fore runner of Bandits). The Rossis are huge at 193cm. Well, the weird thing is I loved em for the hard snow both groomed and off piste. Held an edge much better than the AC4's which are 05-06 models in a 184. It's hard to describe but with the Rossi's I could push on them and they would push back telling me what was going on. They would talk back. With the AC4's no such coversation. The AC4's were easier to turn(not unexpected) but there was no sense of teamwork. They would wash out unexpectedly. In the parking lot flex test(admittingly unscientific) the Rossi's were much much stiffer. I ended up skiing on the Rossi's the whole time. I kept trying the AC4's out of sheer disbelief that they weren't working. I'm a clydesdale weighing 235 with all my stuff on. Been skiing for 40 years, like to go fast, like to make 3 turns where others would make 6, avoid moguls like the plague, ski mostly wide open areas like the top of Mammoth and Kirkwood. If it's white and I can go downhill I'm happy. My question now is , Is there anything like my old Rossi's. They are 115 tip 85 waist don't know the tail. They felt like a wide GS ski with just enough side cut to carve if need be on groomed runs.
post #2 of 16
I'm vastly different in size (6',165), but over the years have skied a lot of Rossis (including 2S,4S,7S, VS, Z9, B-2, B-3) and Volkls (Snowranger, G4, Mantra, Karma, Goat, AC 3, AC4, 6*, 5*, Allstar) over the years. Still use my old Rossi 201 7S's once a year as a reality check, demoed both the 170 and 177 AC4 last year.

IMO, Rossi's feel stiff at the tip, so win store/parking lot tests against a lot of skis, but in fact are a lot flexier in the middle than most, especially the AC4. Mid-body stiffness has a lot more impact on your turns.

I found the 177 to be a big beefy ski that easy to initiate, but took some velocity and angle to bend. They'd hold on the side of Mt. Everest. And judging by guys here over 200 lbs who ski the AC4 in a 170, that seems to be a common finding. If you skied a 184, you were not too big for it.

So my best guess is that a) you like a ski that you can modify radius in midturn, get lots of feedback, feel the flex, and b) the Volkl was stiffer and offered less feedback than the Rossis you're used to, so you couldn't keep track of your edges. Plus I'd bet it had a bad tune.

Second best guess is that you just don't like the feel of Volkls (the piston does numb the front ends some), but would still enjoy a stiff ski that holds up to your size and style. My suggestion: Stocklis. You just don't get more stable and smooth at speed unless you go to real GS skis, they actually are designed to be actively managed during a turn instead of "hold-on-and-ride-it," and the longer versions handle pros who make ski movies. If you can wash out a 184 XL or 188 SS with plates, it's your technique, not the ski.
post #3 of 16
Stockli Scot Scmidt Pro 188cm. You will LOVE it.
post #4 of 16
Although they're a bit wider than your Rossi's - 190 Volkl Explosivs. They're hard to find (especially 190s), but thet're out there.
post #5 of 16
they had some (i.e. 1 pair) of 190 Explosivs at Start Haus in Truckee a few months back. Given that it's predominantly a race oriented shop they may very well still have them in stock.

http://starthaus.com/


Also Java Summit ski shop in Soda Springs on the way to Sugarbowl had some Explosivs available for demo last season. So they might have some to unload.

http://www.javasummitsports.com/
post #6 of 16
Go to Denver Wholesale Skis eBay store http://stores.ebay.com/Denver-Wholesale-Skis. They have lots of old skis for cheap prices. If you don't want to turn too much, check out their DH/SG skis....
post #7 of 16
Awesome.....check this listing out:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=41028

The cut 11.5 you have is a great ski, and a classic. As you said, it's the father of the bandit XXX 195cm, and totally a fat GS board. If you like, KEEP IT AND SKI ON IT!!!! It's a great choice!!!!

Tell us what binding is on it....a better binding might help.....or, you might already have the old style rossi turntable bindings with the geze toes (fat and round shape), which are some of the best bindings ever built, and is part of why the setup skis sooo damn well for you. If you have those, it truely is a classic, world class setup...no need to upgrade or change until the skis wear out.

One other thing - stocklis are great, but they aren't that stiff in the tip and tail, and I think you'd overpower them at your size.

If you wanted something with compareable beef/speed to your rossi's, but a bit more versitile, I'd suggest something like a older (prior to this year) dynastar legend pro in a 186, with s916's. Stiff, round flex, fatter, beef, but lighter and shorter. The bindings are heavy, stiff and just all around beefy, and will give you lots of snow feedback, more so than with a p18 or commercial binding....and you're 235 lb, skiing fast...you should be on a metal competion binding. I'm on 186 head im88's with s916 for ec/vermont resort skiing, mostly on piste hardpack, big trails with steeps, etc. You can get going pretty fast pretty quick, and lay damn nice gs carves. The LP has less sidecut, like 29m, but if you know how to bend a ski, you'll have no problem with them. This would replace your ac4, and blow it away. I wouldn't ski it in tight, rutted bumps, but it should rip fine in big soft bumps and crud.
post #8 of 16
I have some Rossi Mountain Viper 9.9 (beefed up CUT Super 9.9) that still occupy a place in my quiver. They're 191's. Still a fun ski to be on, no matter what anyone says. You don't need mid 80's underfoot to feel good these days. I think mine are around 66 or something like that.
post #9 of 16
I second the Denver Wholesale skis---a great site.

Keep your eyes out for old flame tip dynastar 4x4 bigs. I have a pair of 188's 112-80-102, which is close to your Rossi's. They are a minor cult ski with the TGR crowd, a good fast crud buster, with vertical sidewall and metal. They go where they are told, and nothing gets in their way. The rest of the 4x4 line were whimpier skis.

Here's a pair that went cheap.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...2550&rd=1&rd=1
post #10 of 16
The 4x4 Big was extremely prone to bending, take a close look at them before laying down $$$.
post #11 of 16
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The rest of the 4x4 line were whimpier skis.
Surely you weren't including the 4X4 Powertrac in that asssesment....

SJ
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
The 4x4 Big was extremely prone to bending, take a close look at them before laying down $$$.
good point, there is a lot of metal, and many skis like that can be trashed in the wrong set of moguls. Mine are holding up great.
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
My Rossi CUT 11.5 has the Geze toe and Rossi turntable heel. They took a core shot last time out and one edge has a crack in it. The base is so thin that it looks hard to fix the base. The AC4 have some Rossi FKS 155 bindings. They had a fresh tune with a 1 dgree bevel in base and side. My boots are the yellow Head World Cup with new Zip Fit liners(very nice). Are the AC4 really the kind of ski the has a one size turn shape to them? Now that I think about it I quess I do like to actively steer my skis. I don't ski my Head XP100 much any more I think because of the extreme sidecut(122 tip and 67waist) The skis that I have enjoyed the most over the years rarely had more than a 34mm difference between tip and waist. If anybody has a pair of 191 Atomic R:ex floating around let me know. I stupidly sold a pair in a weak moment.
post #14 of 16
I ski the 184 R:EX alpine, and just bought a pair of the 185 M:EXs which I haven't skied yet but they appear to have almost an identical flex. I also ski the 191 10:EXs for AT and occasional area skiing. In addition, I had a pair of 198 10:EXs that were the most fun powder ski I have ever been on. I could smoothly GS bumps with a foot of powder over them. Anyway, I gave the 198s to a buddy who doesn't seem to be using them at all. He's about 230 and I'm 215 lbs. If you want the 198 10:EXs with Atomic Xentrix 614 bindings I think I can get them back for the $50 I charged my buddy. I'll give'm to you for that price if you are interested. Hate to see a good pair of skis sit in the closet. There are definitely "used" but still very servicable. Send me a PM if you want'm.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by grumpyof View Post
My Rossi CUT 11.5 has the Geze toe and Rossi turntable heel. They took a core shot last time out and one edge has a crack in it. The base is so thin that it looks hard to fix the base. The AC4 have some Rossi FKS 155 bindings. They had a fresh tune with a 1 dgree bevel in base and side. My boots are the yellow Head World Cup with new Zip Fit liners(very nice). Are the AC4 really the kind of ski the has a one size turn shape to them? Now that I think about it I quess I do like to actively steer my skis. I don't ski my Head XP100 much any more I think because of the extreme sidecut(122 tip and 67waist) The skis that I have enjoyed the most over the years rarely had more than a 34mm difference between tip and waist. If anybody has a pair of 191 Atomic R:ex floating around let me know. I stupidly sold a pair in a weak moment.
Alot of people with your preferences don't like the AC4. The toe on the 155's isn't helping either, it's more vague feeling than the geze toe.

Maybe get some of those 186 LP's, and put the geze/rossi's on them if they are in good shape?

Maybe 192 elan 777's? Those are a great ski, comparable to the 11.5 in beef and stablity, but a bit softer, and can be had for cheap. But, might be to soft...probably similar to the 188 SS's.

Maybe a 189 b-squad? 191 mantra?

I wouldn't go with the 191 r:ex, not enough beef, no metal.
post #16 of 16
OOOOhhhhh.....another thing that might be worth trying, is to swap the Geze/rossi's off your rossi's onto the AC4's, which might result in better feedback from the AC4's....a good part of the feel issue you have could be due to the binding toe difference.....I notice it, it's a pretty major difference in feel.
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