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post #181 of 323
3/13/07 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
Doesn't sound like much fun...sorry.
Probably what HH thinks, if he even spares a neuron on what you have to say.
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post #182 of 323
3/13/07 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
....I've submitted videos with unusual skiing, technique which falls far beyond what PSIA or PMTS would promote, with intentional flaws, experimental technique, and some of my normal minor sloppy technical aspects. Since I'm the expert and I'm the one making it up, it is, by definition, expert level skiing.....period. As an expert, I am allowed to disregard PMTS or PSIA rules, and make up my own.....
I must agree with HS. I come from europe and do not fall nicely into eather PSIA or PMTS consepts but that doesent make me inferior as a skier. And I like the videos provided by HS since flawless demo skiing must be for some among the most boring stuff to watch. HS gets in the back seat and recovers. Thats great, he recovered. Others will just bash him for getting in the back seat but the truth is that if you ski back country or moguls or GS race tracks and you never loose your balance aft then you are eather good at lying to yourselfe or then you are not pushing yourselfe which is something guys like HS does. Does that make him a bad skier? No, that makes him a great skier. And anybody else for that matter as well.

This whole dispute between PSIA and PMTS is a bad joke. Most expert skiers on the planet never even heared of neather of them.
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post #183 of 323
3/13/07 at 7:04am
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
I must agree with HS. I come from europe and do not fall nicely into eather PSIA or PMTS consepts but that doesent make me inferior as a skier. And I like the videos provided by HS since flawless demo skiing must be for some among the most boring stuff to watch. HS gets in the back seat and recovers. Thats great, he recovered. Others will just bash him for getting in the back seat but the truth is that if you ski back country or moguls or GS race tracks and you never loose your balance aft then you are eather good at lying to yourselfe or then you are not pushing yourselfe which is something guys like HS does. Does that make him a bad skier? No, that makes him a great skier. And anybody else for that matter as well.

This whole dispute between PSIA and PMTS is a bad joke. Most expert skiers on the planet never even heared of neather of them.
Just because you don't fall into PMTS, PSIA or any other official "style" doesn't make anyone an inferior skier. Saying that the instruction methods are no good, but not giving them a real try makes one appear ignorant. Mouthing off, that you are better than a regognized WC class skier, regardless of how big an ass he seems, or the style he promotes, with out learning the style and speaking from expirence, shows a close mind. A closed mind cannot learn.

I, for one, have never found, that i know everything, many things yes, but not everything.
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post #184 of 323
3/13/07 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by AnitSuperEgo View Post
Just because you don't fall into PMTS, PSIA or any other official "style" doesn't make anyone an inferior skier. Saying that the instruction methods are no good, but not giving them a real try makes one appear ignorant. Mouthing off, that you are better than a regognized WC class skier, regardless of how big an ass he seems, or the style he promotes, with out learning the style and speaking from expirence, shows a close mind. A closed mind cannot learn.

I, for one, have never found, that i know everything, many things yes, but not everything.
Dude...I tried them, 20 years ago, when I was learning. Then I was coached in ski racing by a guy who was also PSIA. I have tried them, and moved on.
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post #185 of 323
3/13/07 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
Dude...I tried them, 20 years ago, when I was learning. Then I was coached in ski racing by a guy who was also PSIA. I have tried them, and moved on.
What would it hurt to try PSIA again or Learn PMTS? If you truly have discovered some better techniques, you could demonstrate how they are better, from a position of knowledge. Spend the next 10 - 15 years learning or re-learning other systems, and perfecting your style. If it truly is an improvement, good skiers will want to listen.

There is no one right way to ski. I am sure the industry treated HH the same way you are being treated. Prove you are not just a blow hard. Start posting more of how you feel your methods are better. I, for one, as a relatively new skier, will keep my mind open.

Kevin
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post #186 of 323
3/13/07 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
I must agree with HS. I come from europe and do not fall nicely into eather PSIA or PMTS consepts but that doesent make me inferior as a skier. And I like the videos provided by HS since flawless demo skiing must be for some among the most boring stuff to watch. HS gets in the back seat and recovers. Thats great, he recovered. Others will just bash him for getting in the back seat but the truth is that if you ski back country or moguls or GS race tracks and you never loose your balance aft then you are eather good at lying to yourselfe or then you are not pushing yourselfe which is something guys like HS does. Does that make him a bad skier? No, that makes him a great skier. And anybody else for that matter as well.
Excellent post.
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post #187 of 323
3/13/07 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Yeah, he can ski.

So true, great explaination HS.

There is more than one way to ski good. I would like to see a proficient PMTS'er ski down Devils Fiddle in those conditions that HS did. Your Supershapes would get eaten up. I am not saying that a PMTS'er cannot be a good skier, but it is one structured turn (all be it a good one) but you need more than one type of turn to ski.
FYI- HH's other fav ski is a Head 88...
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post #188 of 323
3/13/07 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
FYI- HH's other fav ski is a Head 88...
Any idea on his specfic setup? Size ski, bindings, mount, tune, his size, etc? This years 88's or last?

I broke my 186 88's last year, was on them with look zr18's. Now I'm on this years 186cm im88's, with S916's, with a 1cm lift, mounted on the line, 1.5 base, 2 side, I'm 6'1, 185 lb.

I use it as my all around EC resort ski, mostly groomed (packed powder to ice), some bumps here and there, and some powder and trees. Haven't been out on them in a month or so, spending time on my pow skis and tree skis.
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post #189 of 323
3/13/07 at 8:46am
are we there yet?
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post #190 of 323
3/13/07 at 8:55am
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Originally Posted by ryan View Post
are we there yet?
No, so stop asking. We'll get there when we get there.
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post #191 of 323
3/13/07 at 9:50am
Thread Starter 
It's not the destination, it's the journey......
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post #192 of 323
3/13/07 at 9:53am
I actually saw a post where HH said im.72 were his "fat skis"
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post #193 of 323
3/13/07 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
I actually saw a post where HH said im.72 were his "fat skis"
Yeah, those are HUGE. What does he ski them in, a 170? Wow. :
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post #194 of 323
3/13/07 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
Oh....I'm in the backseat!!!! OMG!!!! Whatever.....anybody who says that, doesn't get it.

This isn't good skiing people.....it's brilliant, revolutionary expert level skiing that most people can't even understand, seemingly, even here on an instructors forum.
All BS aside...do you have any concerns about maintaining healthy knees as you age using a technique like you employ in that video clip?
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post #195 of 323
3/13/07 at 10:10am
Max,

If only you knew the revolutionary HS technique. There is no stress on any joint, it is pure efficiency and grace in motion.

You can't use your eyes and experience as a guide. This is HS afterall.
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post #196 of 323
3/13/07 at 1:29pm
Thread Starter 
Are we at page 8 yet?
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post #197 of 323
3/13/07 at 1:31pm
are we still in texas?
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post #198 of 323
3/13/07 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by ryan View Post
are we still in texas?
Texas is the new ski capital of the east, from what I hear....
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post #199 of 323
3/13/07 at 2:46pm

more geography

there is no "here" here.
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post #200 of 323
3/13/07 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
All BS aside...do you have any concerns about maintaining healthy knees as you age using a technique like you employ in that video clip?
He is using that technique for that particular snow and terrain. : He will ski completely different on groomer's, woods, bumps, ice ect...
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post #201 of 323
3/13/07 at 3:07pm
It won't be long now!
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post #202 of 323
3/13/07 at 3:08pm
I have experience with these things...just one more post to page 8
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post #203 of 323
3/13/07 at 3:08pm
I think we need just one more..
Got it...Top of page

I rule and HS drools


Can we go home now?
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post #204 of 323
3/13/07 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
I think we need just one more..
Got it...Top of page

I rule and HS drools


Can we go home now?
DAMNIT!!!!

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post #205 of 323
3/13/07 at 3:14pm

and i quote

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post #206 of 323
3/13/07 at 3:18pm
Thread Starter 
Well here's an interesting development....looks like Harald is posting over on TGR, trying to convert them and wage war on epicski and the PSIA......bizzare.

Could be an alias............?

(it's not me, I assure you...they just like to think every other mysterious alias is me.)

Will PMTS be the new technique of choice for freeskiers everywhere?????
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post #207 of 323
3/13/07 at 3:18pm
HS,

One question: Why don't you go out west?

oh, and also: Your estimation of your speed is funny. I think if you spent some time on a road bike, you'd see that 35-40 is, well, a lot faster than you were traveling. a lot. anyway, neither here nor there. I'd go and ski with you sometime and I think we'd have a good time, but I'm in philly now and it's a much better use of my weekends to get out west than to futz around new england. oh, yeah, we can put it in your language

I'M CALLING YOU OUT: JACKSON HOLE ALL OF NEXT WEEK. SCAAARRED?D??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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post #208 of 323
3/13/07 at 3:19pm
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Here's the link...

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=79771
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post #209 of 323
3/13/07 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by fischermh View Post
I believe you. The thread is funny.
I wonder if he'll be able to convert them...........?
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post #210 of 323
3/13/07 at 3:35pm
Just like you assure us that you are an expert skier.
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post

(it's not me, I assure you...they just like to think every other mysterious alias is me.)
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