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The keys to speed

post #1 of 25
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I seem to have misplaced mine. Can someone help me out here? I can't recall what or where they are!

I know good wax is one.

How about technique keys? Any suggestions?
post #2 of 25
Keep your center of mass moving down the hill; actively moving it over your skis and down the hill at transition.

Visualization: pretend you are chasing the keys down the hill.

ST
post #3 of 25
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
How about technique keys? Any suggestions?
Don't turn unless something gets in your way.
post #4 of 25
IT may help if you have a hot snow bunny just about two ski lengths ahead of you, ripping up the hill. Follow her!
post #5 of 25
Be progressive and suttle in your movements.
post #6 of 25

Warning: hijack, tongue firmly in cheek

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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
I seem to have misplaced mine. Can someone help me out here? I can't recall what or where they are!

I know good wax is one.

How about technique keys? Any suggestions?
I've always found gravity to be an important component.

Dave Barry, noted non-skiing expert, has said:
"Scientists tell us that the fastest animal on earth, with a top speed of 120 feet per second, is a cow that has been dropped out of a helicopter.”

Note: For those in the great white metric north, this comes out to 473.72 loonies per pentagram.

Notenote: Canadians have no idea who Dave Barry is.

Therefore, if you go heli-skiing, and get out 5 minutes before arriving at your drop-off point, you, too, can go as fast as a cow.:

Notenotenote: Do not try this at home.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
post #7 of 25
BigE,

What kind of speed are you looking for? There are many different kinds of speed (e.g. race course speed, absolute speed, mogul speed, off piste speed, side to side speed, top to bottom speed, etc.). Whether equipment, tuning, technique or mental adjustments will help depends on where you are, what you want, what trade offs you are willing to make and how much you are willing to invest to get there.

A simple answer for recreational skiers is to eliminate skidding from their turns. However, your posting history suggests that you are not seeking simple answers.
post #8 of 25
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I was shocked when this showed up in the instruction forum. I had intended it to be in the racing forum.

Is having it moved a "good idea"?
post #9 of 25
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I was shocked when this showed up in the instruction forum. I had intended it to be in the racing forum.

Is having it moved a "good idea"?
Let me see, you have therusty and trekchick both in the thread, you could just say.......Hey could one of you move this thread for me

I'm sure someone would be happy to do it. hmmmmmmmm, but who?:
post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 
OK. Let's move it!

I liked the idea of chasing the hottie, so trekchick, would you mind moving it? I'll chase after it on the other forum.

Cheers!
post #11 of 25
As you wish!

I'll take you over to the other forum..............Follow me!
post #12 of 25
I'm not sure since i am 13 years old but i beleive you want to put pressure on the uphill ski and wat to use the ham string and calf to pull back on the leading ski. :
post #13 of 25

Point 'em down...

...and let 'em buck. Sure, there's faster waxes, faster suits, better technique, better line, and those are all prereqs. But if you want to start going faster, try going a lot faster. I've been running mostly Super G and DH for the last month, and it's really helped my tech events. Besides, it's better than sex...

Here, study this carefully...

http://www.rmmskiracing.org/articles...1-Speed101.pdf
post #14 of 25
Mentally, it's all about remembering that, at the end of the day, the winner is the one who gets from the top to the bottom the fastest. It's all about launching yourself toward the bottom and always thinking about that at every turn. That means getting out of every turn as soon as possible and letting the skis run. Pointing down the hill is faster than accross the hill.

There are a couple of things you can do to work on this mindset. Firstly, when skiing a course, think about getting to the bottom, not pretty turns. Skiing duel courses is really really good, as is chasing another skier down a GS course. Bumps are also excellent training, thinking about carrying speed through them. A good drill is to go head-to-head with someone down a mogul field, sort of an imaginary duel course.
post #15 of 25
Thread Starter 
How about just running timed runs?

I mean we put kids in the course, and they ask "How'd I do?" "How'd you think you did" is BS. Only the clock can answer that question. I know of at least one kid that'll throw away runs DURING A SCHEDULED RACE to see if something different is faster. Kind of a waste don't ya think?

A simple radio'd "RACER READY, 3,2,1 GO!" to a buddy at the finish line holding a stopwatch will do for most of these purposes. Especially if you are playing with line.
post #16 of 25
Here's a little ditty I recently published about speed;

To Bully or Not to Bully
post #17 of 25
Get off the dang baby skis
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
How about just running timed runs?

I mean we put kids in the course, and they ask "How'd I do?" "How'd you think you did" is BS. Only the clock can answer that question. I know of at least one kid that'll throw away runs DURING A SCHEDULED RACE to see if something different is faster. Kind of a waste don't ya think?

A simple radio'd "RACER READY, 3,2,1 GO!" to a buddy at the finish line holding a stopwatch will do for most of these purposes. Especially if you are playing with line.
One of the best investments a program can make is a budget wireless timing system. This allows testing and verification of all technical issues: line variations, skis, wax, suits etc. Used to be Brower had such a system but now Tag Heuer has it. Working on things, trying different approaches, arguments, rants, boasts all answered by the clock. what a concept!!!

About $1500 and worth every cent. These systems are simple to set up, fairly bomb proof, perfect for training sessions without paying the big bucks for an event capable system.

Example:

http://www.reliableracing.com/detail...&category=6506

- Fossil
post #19 of 25
Um, that's just for the receiver and transmitter. The timebase, photocell, and wand are extra. Add about $2500 to that $1500 and you'd be about right. For that, you'd have a Brower system with a "giant" display and the various add-ons. The Brower is still the most portable and easiest to set up system for training, and they're still available from World Cup Supply.

Still, the Tag Heuer (or comparable Alge) system would be homologated (except for the wireless part) and could be used for actual race timing. From what I recall, the Brower system isn't certified for even backup timer use.

I use an Alge TED wireless system for times when I have to run (non-pointed)races off my usual wired grid because of snow coverage or hillspace issues. Add a Alge TIMY timer, RLS-1n photocell/reflector, start gate, D-Line display, and all of the cales and batteries, and it gets to be a bit much for one guy to carry. I also drag it out for Masters training from time to time. Sometimes I wonder why I didn't go with the Brower system...

I saw a ski-mounted computer advertised on the back cover of the last Ski Racing magazine, but haven't checked it out yet. Supposed to measeure all kinds of good stuff.

NASTAR is still one of the best ways to test gear for the average joe, since you can make multiple timed runs for a nominal fee. Depending on the course, you may develop bad habits in your search for speed, but I guess all routes have their downside...

Key's to speed? Easy. Don't fight gravity.
post #20 of 25
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Key's to speed? Easy. Don't fight gravity.
Good!
post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 
Ron Lemaster agrees with Gary: Don't skid a turn. Gary goes one step further -- use the minimum edge angle.

How does that relate to bizarre lines like Ligety's "maximum edge for minimum duration"?
post #22 of 25
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Ron Lemaster agrees with Gary: Don't skid a turn. Gary goes one step further -- use the minimum edge angle.

How does that relate to bizarre lines like Ligety's "maximum edge for minimum duration"?
Ted's concept in slalom is to keep his skis in the fall line for the maximum amount of time and turning across the fall line for the minimum amount of time. His BIG edge angles, when he's doing his thing right starts in the top 3rd of the turn (when he's upside down) and finishes to the release as he leave the fall line. In other words most of the direction change happens above gate so he is "Light and soft" through the transition.

He moderates this for his GS and then for SuperG and Downhill (SuperK) he is like everyone else (except Bode, that's another topic all together) where he seeks to make progressive movements, gliding flat skis and minimum edge angles for each turn. In speed you simply don't want to be up on your edges, that's slow.

Does this have any relevance back to GS or NASTAR type sprint racing? Sure. The more the ski glides or slides rather than skids the faster you go. There is a fine line in GS between high edge angles, which certainly are required in situations, and too high edge angles where not need - diminishing returns for style points IMHO.

Edge control and application is the secret to speed in all disciplines. Really learning how much where and when is what separates the WC from everyone else.

JMHO
post #23 of 25

What the hell KevinF

OMG kevinF you should turn no matter what turning/arching the skishelp accelerate your skiing and makeyou a better skiiier.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
IT may help if you have a hot snow bunny just about two ski lengths ahead of you, ripping up the hill. Follow her!
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As you wish!

I'll take you over to the other forum..............Follow me!

I see you all followed me over here, but no one said if they picked up speed in getting here:

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Get off the dang baby skis
ROFLMAO
Funny but TRUE!

Why is it that people bug me about being on skis "too long for a girl my size"?
post #25 of 25
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Edge control and application is the secret to speed ...
This is well worth repeating.
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