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starting a carved turn

post #1 of 5
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Just got back from some night skiing and I made the most progress with getting the shaped ski technique ( I hope ). Hopefully I am doing this the proper way because it felt so good.

During my last two outings I have been told 1000 times to just tip the skis. The problem I was having is I could not tip them, it was like they did not want to come off the bases. When I was not moving I could tip the skis both ways but when I was moving I could not tip them.

So tonight I am still trying to tip the skis and on my second run it seemed to all start to come together. Here is what I was doing to initiate a turn to the right I just felt like I was folding my right ankle under my foot and same for the a left turn. Went a couple of runs just folding the inside ski ankle to turn and let the outside ski just do whatever it was going to do ( which seemed like it just kind of tipped itself but not as much as the inside ski). Then spent the rest of the runs trying to tip the outside ski by lifting up my little toe more off the ground and trying to match both skis angle.

Does this sound like I am on the right track here because it sure felt like I was. I know I have a long way to go but this was the most fun I have ever had on skis and a lot of that is due to all of the great info I have learned here at epicdki, Thanks!
post #2 of 5
What you're doing sounds almost precisely like what PMTS calls the "Phantom Move." This is how PMTS teaches skiers to ski parallel from the beginning. It works for many skiers, and will get you moving towards making good movements that lead to solid carved parallel turns. What is very interesting is that you discovered this on your own.

When you make a turn using this technique do you find that your skis leave two very thin railroad track lines in the snow behind you? This is the hallmark of a carved turn. Being a new skier myself I can do this some of the time, but it's far from automatic at this point.

You can work on these tipping movements stationary (which it sounds like you've already done). After that you can work from a shallow traverse and just tip back uphill. It may seem boring or silly, but if you can stand on your edges in a slow traverse it will all come together much more easily at speed. The counterbalancing (skis tipped to inside of turn causes legs to tip inside of turn, but torso remains vertical or even tipped slightly outside the turn by bending at the hips) that is required at low/no speed when balanced on your edges will greatly enhance your ability to achieve higher edge angles and sharper turns at speed.

I'm sure many more experienced skiers than I will have advice for you, but keep up the good work!

post #3 of 5
Try this. I have been working on wider turns. It is my greatest weakness.

Two things that have helped is: one, drop or unweght to initiate the turn. Or two, skate to the new outside ski.

It is important to hit the timing of the new turn. The new turn is done with the new outside ski weighted. Then you can add the "big toe/little toe" thing.

As with other posts, you should know that I am not an instructor. I do spend time with coaches. As an example, yesterday I skied with 2 level 3 intructors.
post #4 of 5
Sounds like you discovered one of the great basics of skiing: Tip the right ski right to go right, tip the left ski left to go left. The outside ski takes care of itself. To tip the ski, start by rolling the inside foot to its little toe side inside the boot. Another cue that works is to try to lift the big toe side of the arch of the inside foot off the arch support of the footbed. Play around with it and have fun.
post #5 of 5
skate to the new outside ski.
Some folks push hard on the outside ski. This tends to make the ski break loose. Try just allowing that ski to go out and extend the leg to allow that. Firmly retracting the inside leg may be more effective.
To tip the ski, start by rolling the inside foot to its little toe side inside the boot.
The muscles used to invert the foot (tip to little toe edge) are weaker than the muscles used to evert the foot (tip to the big toe edge). If the movement is started with the weaker muscles, the stronger muscles have no problem keeping up. Tip that inside foot hard and keep it tipped.

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