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Attention all NASTAR racers

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
As I'm sure there are some in the Epic Community who've participated in NASTAR this season, and have qualified for the National Championships being held at Steamboat at the end of March, I thought you might like to be made aware of an opportunity.

The Modern Ski Racing team will be offering a two day preparatory camp at the Howelsen Hill race training facility in Steamboat Springs the two days prior to the competition. I will be assuming the designer/director role of this camp, and will be bringing in coaches Jeff Sadis and Warren Wilkinson, both highly respected international level coaches.

The camp is being limited to the first 50 NASTAR National Championship qualifiers who sign up. If we don't get 50 participants we will be filling the remaining slots with anyone who would like to attend. This could prove to be a fine opportunity for you Colorado Epic folks who would like to come out and train with the Modern Ski Racing team for a couple days. The training is going to be stellar, and the content of the camp broad. To view a detailed description of the camp itinerary, go here:

http://www.nastar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=13686#13686


This camp is a fantastic opportunity for NASTAR Championship racers to get honed and ready for their big event, or for anyone who'd just like to come out and train with some of the best coaches in the business. Hope to have some of my Epic buddies join us. Registation for the camp can be done here:

http://www.modernskiracing.com/clinics_HH_07.php
post #2 of 29

MSRT/Rossignol Sponsorship Program

That's right racers, the MSRT Team is back at historic Howelsen Hill for the second year and our 3rd NASTAR Championships Prep Race Clinic in 3 years.

Rick didn't mention that on Thursday to close out our camp our campers will be racing for a pair of Rossignol Mutix R-11's. We have a pair of 165's for the best HC Gal and 175's for the best HC guy. The skis are mounted, tuned by Jeff Butz, Podium Ski Service and will be given away at the Clinic ready to win your Division at the Nationals. In other words, win them, we set the binders for your boot and go take a victory lap right there and then - pretty cool.

Yeah, that and the best specific coaching program for this event.

Go here to check out last year's Rossignol/MSRT Sponsorship winners

Sign up now, we close at 50 racers, besides, how often do you get to attend a camp run by your own Rick "FastMan" Schnellmann?
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 
JUST TO KEEP YOU INFORMED ON A NEW OFFERING FROM US FOR THE NASTAR CHAMPIONSHIIPS


Personal Coach Program

For you very serious racers.

Have you ever noticed the Word Cup Racers have a contingent of
coaches and service techs at their beck and call?

Well why should you be any different (except we can't get NASTAR
or the US Ski Team to pick up your tab on this)?

Rick, Warren and Jeff are available to help you with you skis, your
inspection, race tactics or anything a racer would need from their own
personal coach. Yup, have your own personal coach right there on the
hill with you to make sure everything is right. From ski tuning and wax
for each day's race to overlays before your start to tactics, you can't
get a better advantage than this

If you are interested reserving one of our coaches as your personal
on hill race coach for Friday, Saturday and Sunday if you win your
class please PM me for details.

Time is very short on this program as I have to arrange extra nights
lodging for the coaches, jump on it!!!

This is a rare opportunity for the serious contenders!

Again, for campers only, please don't PM me if you haven't
already signed up for camp
post #4 of 29

Haven't signed up yet?

Here's a our camp plan. AND, we have some big news coming out tomorrow that will take this already comprehensive camp to the the
next level (as if that's possible). Of course we reserve the right to
amend our plan based on group size, conditions and as the coaches see
fit. You simply can't find anything to help your chances to perform than
this. Check out our testimonials and the comments over at NASTAR Fourm from former campers :
  • WEDNESDAY, March 21st:
  • 7:45 am -
  • Coaches arrive. Greet campers, pass out tickets, answer questions.
  • 8:30 am -
  • (Or as soon as can get up the lifts) Jeff and Warren set 3 short, easy rhythm courses; one on upper pitch, one on middle flats, one on bottom pitch. 3 separate courses provides multiple critiques or tasks per run, and ensures no bunching up of groups, or waiting to get in a course.
  • 9:00 am -
  • Campers meet at bottom of slope with Rick, split into 3 ability groups (by NASTAR handicap), take warm-up run with coach.
  • 9:15 am –
  • Campers split into their groups with their coach. Work on individual fundamentals outside of gates. Things to focus on:
  • STANCE: Get students in an athletic stance, hips over feet, good hands. Quick visual boot setup check. Advise those who need fitting help to seek it.
  • FORE/AFT BALANCE: Get students using full foot, forward at initiation.
  • LATERAL BALANCE: Make sure student can stay outside foot dominant through entire turn.
  • ROTATION: Eliminate following (square to skis). Work on creating inside half lead coming out of the transition. Some counter through the turn.
  • ANGULATION: Rid students of exaggerated knee angulation. Work on long leg, short leg, and moving angulation up to the hip. Schlopy drill a great one for this and rotation.
  • EDGING: Clean up the carves. Work on progressive edge and pressure development.
  • TRANSITIONS: Work on execution of clean arc to arc transitions. No preliminary steering/pivoting before engaging the new carved turn. Higher level students work on refining pivot entries.
  • NOTE:
  • As each new skill is conquered outside of gates, jump into gates and master them there.
  • 11:30 am -
  • Break for lunch.
  • 12:00 pm –
  • Jeff and Warren go up and set drill courses. Same as in morning; three courses in same locations. Use multiple brush gates to set line.
  • 12:30 pm –
  • Coaches meet with their groups at the bottom. Same groups as morning session. Expain and train on drill courses.
  • 1:30 pm –
  • Coaches set full length course, set up timing, salt if needed. Campers slip out all old ruts. Inspect new course as a group with one of the coaches
  • 1:45 pm –
  • Timed, full length runs. Coaches at bottom, racers self start.
  • 3:00 pm –
  • Rick and Jeff tear down coarse, Warren to video analysis
  • THURSDAY, March 22nd:
  • 8:00 am –
  • Coaches arrive. Greet campers, pass out tickets, answer questions, set up for tuning clinic and practice session.
  • 9:00 am –
  • Jeff conducts tuning clinic
  • 9:45 am –
  • Campers practice tuning their own skis. Coaches supervise.
  • 10: 45 am –
  • Rick conducts chalk board presentation. Jeff and Warren grab lunch, get ready to ski.
  • 11:30 am –
  • Campers grab some lunch and get ready to ski. Coaches set up timing and full length training course. Salt if needed.
  • 12:00 pm –
  • Campers and coaches meet at the bottom of slope. Coaches go up and do a careful/detailed course inspection with the campers.
  • 12:30 pm –
  • Timed training runs with coaches providing feedback to racers at the bottom of the course.
  • 1:30 pm –
  • Conduct NASTAR race. Racers self start. Two coaches stay at bottom of course providing critique to racers. One coach does course maintenance and radios critique of upper course performance down to the finish.
  • 2:30 pm –
  • Coaches and campers meet at bottom and go up in groups to do a quick slip and discussion of individual problem areas, how the course has changed through use, and strategies to negotiate these changes.
  • 2:45 pm –
  • Continue timed training runs, coaches in same stations.
  • 3:30 pm –
  • Rick and Jeff tear down courses, Warren to video analysis. Awarding of equipment to winners.
YUP, we are organized, lock 'n loaded. DON'T MISS THIS IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT YOUR INVESTEMENT
post #5 of 29

New Coach at MSRT Prep Clinic!

HUGE NEWS FOR MSRT PREP CLINIC!!


Jeff "SuperTech" Sadis' charge Stanley Hayer has won the the Honda Ski Tour SkierCross Overall!!

For this Jeff is off to Spain with his team to celebrate and do god knows what, these guys are NUTS

We are extremely excited to announce the filling Jeff's over sized boots is none other than





Who is this guy? You're kidding, right?

For starters he is the guy who taught Sadis all he knows, but there's much more. For some idea on the
level of coaching we've picked up here click on his name and check out his bio on our Team page

Brent will be along in a bit to tell you about an added session to our clinic. Biomechanics, Alignment and
how you can get extra speed simply by standing right (like a WC racer) on your skis. NO KIDDING.

If you're flat, cool, if you're not you'd better know it

So, in addition to

WARREN WILKINSON
RICK SCHNELLMANN

we've added

BRENT!!

Jeff sez, show up or lose suckers

---------------------------

Nice intro Gary!

I'd like to introduce myself to the attendees of the MSRT Prep clinic. My name is Brent and will be offering a unique opportunity for those of who are ready to ski better and race faster.

After each daily training session I will be available for stance and alignment analysis at the ski tuning center. I will be bring my complete boot tuning lab and will be able to offer footbeds, boot sole planing for canting, and boot grinding (just in case you need a little extra fitting).
Boot tuning is extremely important when trying to reach the next level in ski racing. Many racers sometime assume that a race boot is ready right of the box. But with almost every racer I have worked with over the last 20 years, improvement was available in their boots for fore / aft balance, and edge to edge performance.

If you are have any problems with edge to edge ankle roll, or your ability to pressure the tip of your skis, it can be usually be attributed to your bio-mechanical stance in your ski boots. I can assure you that these flaws will not only show up on video, but especially on the timing clock.

Let me know if you have any questions ya all!

Brent Amsbury
Certified Pedorthist
Park City Pedorthics & Ski Boot
post #6 of 29

Camp Update

CAMP UPDATE SLOTS STILL OPEN


We are closing on line sign ups tomorrow, Monday the 19th at 5PM sharp. The PayPal link will be removed from our website.

We have 5 Slots open for Wednesday, the 21st

and

10 Slots open for Thursday, the 22nd

I will update how we look Tuesday Morning for open spaces. Our Coach to Student ratio will be 5 students or less per 1 Coach MAXIMUM!!!

This is an outrageous opportunity and value!

After Monday you can show up at 8:15 AM and sign up at the clinic. I will announce on Tuesday morning where walk in sign ups will be
and number of slots available for each session.

So if you are planning on joining or thinking about joining us it is time to make the decision.
post #7 of 29

Update For Thursday Session

THURSDAY UPDATE!


For our Thursday Campers!!

Brent Amsbury's tuning Clinic and BioMechanics Intro will be hosted by

John Cole at

One-Stop Ski Shop: 970-879-4916
729 Yampa St, Steamboat Spgs, CO 80487

One Stop is 1/2 mile away from Howelsen. Doors open at 8AM. If you are a walk-in sign up please try to be there at 8:30 AM. Clinic Starts at 9AM Sharp!

Here's a link to directions and map of the area

ONE STOP SKI SHOP
post #8 of 29
Hey!

Thanks to our '07 Campers! Small group which worked out very well on the coach to student ratio (not so well for the ole pocket book but that's not why I'm in this).

Out of our 20 or so total campers we had

2 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS

and several podiums!!

More details will follow at MSR.com

Again, Congratulations CAMPERS!!

Thanks to Epic for the support and pinning this post, it can be released now
post #9 of 29
say hello to Brent for me!
post #10 of 29

Steamboat Campers Kick BUTT!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
say hello to Brent for me!
Will do! I'll send him to your profile. HE IS THE MAN!!

Speaking of Brent. Our Camp After Action Report is up at MSR.com. 50% of our camp participants got into the top 5 with two National Champions and 5 Podiums (better than 25%).

Not bad and congratulations campers!!

It pays to prepare
post #11 of 29

Ran NASTAR at DV, what a HOOT! AAR

Was lucky to get out to Deer Valley today and run at their NASTAR venue for the first time, FINALLY!

It was a SCREAMING HOOT!

Here's my "After Action Report" (AAR).

The course opened on time. Check!

Was well staffed and the course was well maintained. Instructors bringing their Kid privates were constantly slipping the course.

The hill is interesting providing two decent pitches and a GREAT roller about half way down. Not quite a pro bump but close enough to get you in the air if you are charging.

The set was appropriate for the public. A bit too offset for my 21M GS skis (I ran my 184's today) but absolutely perfect for the adult or kid who wants to get a taste of racing and have to make some turns while doing it (unlike the silly straight "wax race" courses we get at another local venue).

The pricing is perfect for the typical Deer Valley opulence one expects. It is $10 for two runs. They do sell a NASTAR season pass for the habitual gate basher, I didn't catch the price, however.

There is also a great crew of characters at the venue, at least today. It seems that half of the retired Slovenia team was there with their young charges - and boy did they charge! Great Feeder system for the kids not quite ready to step up to USSA over at PCMR.

I met Donen, from Slovenia and my Serbo-Croat was hit, we cussed appropriately at each other and then he gave me some free coaching, in terms I completely agreed with and understood. VERY NICE!

I got to run with Freddy, an ex-Swiss National Teamer who owns;

www.swissrockguides.com

Extremely nice guy, very open and quite fast. I believe Freddy nipped me and he was running on his all mountain skis in his instructor uniform, of course I was suited. (Excuse 103) I should've brought my Mutix R11's out, they would have been perfect for today's race. I'm lucky he wasn't on his race boards and skivvies today :

I did hear from many of the instructors, in both English, swiss and Serbo-Croat that today's course was a fair amount tighter and two more gates than yesterday.

So it would appear that on a given day you can get out their with your 21M GS boards and arc 'em all the way down (that is if you can stay on the ground over the roller, I never stayed on the ground today and LOVED IT!!).

Dr. Liz and I are SOLD!

We are going to get a mid-season pass there so we can get our NASTAR ya-ya's out in a great environment run by friendly PROFESSIONALS.

Man that would make a great MSR.com "Training Center", I'll keep putting my proposal in, who knows, maybe someday

My only criticism and this is very small is that their finish area is a bit short. But I believe they are aware of this and stagger the faster racers - they did at least with me. They also tightened up the course a bit coming to the last few gates and did it well, it was technical, controlled your speed but didn't slam you in the face. I did not see one DNF for the 4 runs I was out there with all levels. That is usually and indicator of a well set course.

Last thing. I ran virtually the same HC today as I ran against Daron at the Nationals two years ago. Very fair Handicapping, the way it should be (trust me at most venues Freddy would be a 2 or better with his National average). He ran a 14 and won the race at our other venue (PCMR is a bit challenged and they aren't listening, hate to say it but I always try to call it like it is).

So the MSR.com official NASTAR Venue rating for Deer Valley is 4 out of 4 thumbs up!

post #12 of 29

Review Downgrade for DV

Well this is a bit of sad if not bizarre story.

If you can envision Rod Sterling doing one of his intros for the Twilight Zone then do it here.

Setting the stage

I feel to really give a venue a fair review I must ski there at least two separate days and optimally more.

I had so much fun the first day I went, this last Sunday, April Fool's Day, that I elected to go back this last Tuesday - Just To Race NASTAR.

We showed up at 9:30, pulled into the $20 per day underground parking and like good guests purchased our $77 per day lift tickets (even though a third or more of the mountain is now closed). So let's see, we start the day at $174 dollars, to run NASTAR and for me to feel good about my ragging 4 thumbs up review. Trust me, I don't throw around raging 4 thumbs up review easily. I believe this is where the April Fool's thing comes into play,,, anyway,,,,

This time, Tuesday, April 3rd, I show up with two pairs of skis, my 184 Rossi WC (cheater skis) and my R11 Mutix 175's (probably my most favorite ski in my quiver, another post, another time). I'm in my race suit but with a suitable Descent racing shell with freakin' MODERN SKI RACING all over the back (ahem, the plot thickens, keep thinking Rod Sterling here),

I was up the night before, Monday, April 2nd, doing full-blown race prep on the two sets of skis I intended to test. I deburred then polished my edges with the typical 12 stone process and then got deep into my waxing mindset (du-DU-du-du du-DU-du-du, this the Twilight Zone theme music because who the hell does a race prep and then even thinks about waxing for NASTAR, I mean C’MON, Dranow!! This is going to play real good for those folks out there that love to hate me – HEY, I’m an easy target - as this is a long parens utilization is, I digress) and go deep into my Holmenkol chest of goodies (sorry Dr.D, this was a Holmenkol day for me, I had to go with what I new best, du-DU-du-du du-DU-du-du).

Based on some kind of logic that I would have to go look at my “wax log” to determine (I won’t do that to you guys) I used GW25 crayoned under 1/1 Alpha/Moly Additiv on my 9X’s. For the R11’s I went with 1/1 Alpha/SI33 Silicon Additiv then Hybrid Yellow. Both skis were sat over night and at 6:30 AM they got the Dranow Brush Routine (remember, Rod Sterling!). That is Brass, then Nylon then HorseHair Roto (well really SpeedBrush) and then Nylon and Horse Hair hand brush.

I was satisfied when I could see myself in all four bases of my race tools for the day. I packed my “ditty bag” with the appropriate overlays and speedblocks, square brushes, brake retention devices (rubber bands) and packed the car.

So back to the slope and to catch you up – we had laid out $154 for tickets and I sauntered up to the registration window right at 10:00, precisely when the course opened. I paid my $20 for my 4 (yes four) runs and told the registrar that I had already signed all the forms and disclaimers of death and dismemberment previously and started to move towards the Green Course for my first run.

I was stopped dead in my tracks with these words;

“If you hit our gates we will ask you to leave”

This is a VERBATIM QUOTE. I am not kidding you in the least.

Okay, I’m thinking (Du-DU-du-du) did I just hear what I thought I heard.

Now to give you all some context. It was 50 something on Monday, and this was Tuesday morning at 10 AM. It got down to a chilly 28 degrees Monday night and Tuesday Morning. It was still a nippy 40 or so (and for what has been going on up here that IS downright NIPPY) and the snow was as hard polished as a parquet floor. The wrenches, which the course setters clearly used to screw in the turning gates of the double paneled NASTAR course were glistening in the sun right behind the registrar as he repeated, mind you, before I said a word;

“If you hit our gates we will ask you to leave”

“Excuse me” I said, “What do you mean hit your gates”

Now this is where this really gets weird. He repeats the same words but this time adds, “This is our POLICY”.

Oooooookaaaaayyyy. I’m in my race suit with my appropriate black Descente Race Shelll with MSR.COM on the back and thinking, stay cool Dranow, stay cool.

“Can you explain what you mean my hitting the gates. As you can probably tell I’m a bit of an experienced racer and will probably brush the gates as I go by and THIS IS A NASTAR VENUE” I asked and said,

“THIS IS A RECREATIONAL RACE COURSE, IF YOU HIT OUR GATES WE WILL INSIST YOU LEAVE IMMEDIATELY” his tone more stern and getting a bit edgy.

Ooooookaaaaayyyyy I think to myself. This is strange.

I explain. “Look, I’m just here to run the NASTAR course and get the best Handicap I can, I’m not going to knock your course down” he interrupts like one of those West World Ul Brenners, IF YOU HIT OUR GATES WE WILL MAKE YOU LEAVE.

Okay, I get it, don’t hit the gates. So I decide to give up getting any clarification of what he means and I’m truly worried about being asked to leave without my $194 dollars and after I’ve made a grand total of ½ run for the day.

I had several reasons for being there.

1) To check the pacesetting over more than one day
2) To get my Men’s 50-54 Platinum Number 1 ranking back that I’ve held for the last three years and lost to a fellow in Colorado who has not run the Nationals or Masters in the last 4 or 5 years
3) To test two pair of skis against each other and two wax setups and several overlays.
4) And verify that I had as much fun as I thought I did when I gave all of you a 4 thumbs up rating of this venue.

In other words, I planned on spending the whole day, running NASTAR both sessions, and having a blast.

Well let’s just forgo all the stuff that happened once I left the wand on my first run down the bulletproof course (wax didn’t matter, ahem).

Here’s the day’s results;


Deer Valley Daily NASTAR, Best Handicap, All Results 4/03/07

Please notice my first run Handicap in the Green Course (9 Something, 17.something seconds). Well I was at least two feet off each gate. You see, this guy wasn’t kidding and yes, I was nervous about making a bad example in my MSR.com shell.

Here’s where you should be seeing Rod Sterling again. How can I set a bad example by skiing the course correctly and brushing each gate as I came up under it, pushing it forward on its hinged base screwed into rock hard snow? I ask you this?

Then my second run in Yellow and I’m still 1 foot off of each gate.

I’ve been ranting on each chair ride and my wife has done her best to calm me down. Before my start of the second run she engages this guy and asks him what he means by “Hit our gates”.

My wife’s logic is impeccable and her calm demeanor wouldn’t upset a fly. She gets the exact same non-clarification I do.

“This is a Recreational Racing facility. It is our Policy. If anyone hit our gates we will make them leave. My wife asks for a manager. There is no manager available. She is told to go to the office if she feels she needs to discuss this further.

On the chair ride back up she finally calms me down and we decide that after my 4 “paid in advance” runs we’ll just go talk to the Mountain Manager and suggest that they work a bit on their communication with the “racing guests” AND suggest that consider that experienced racers understand course maintenance issue and can ski a good line, brush the gates, have a good race and NOT BLOW UP THEIR COURSE. AND, that in conditions where you couldn’t knock the gates out with a tiller, that maybe, just maybe, simply because a guy or gal shows up in a race suit, that this policy need not be stated and repeatedly administered prior to that racer going into the RACE COURSE.

Besides, course maintenance and recreational racing are two separate issues, by the way.

And as an aside, we were at the resort when we ran into a long-time coach and friend of ours (in keeping with the TV theme, the names have been changed to protect the innocent) who would slip the NASTAR course behind his kid to reset any gates that his kid knocked out. He told us about one day where one of the NASTAR employees began ranting at him for re-screwing in the gates knocked out (keep in mind that the coach friend was just trying to help maintain the course to not stop the flow of guests through the course). Before the guy could defend himself, the preeminent icon of Deer Valley (again, no need to name names!) came up and commented that the coach friend of ours "had been screwing in gates around the world" and there was no reason he couldn't do it here, too. Too bad this philosophy didn't continue on the NASTAR course when the aforementioned icon was no longer physically present!

Okay, remember #2 on my list? I’m out to get my paper lion, meaningless, yes, but nonetheless somewhat important to me, number 1 ranking back that I’ve held since time immemorial.

Due to all this I think that all I needed was something in the three’s to get my ranking back. I thought I had skied something in the three’s and was quite anxious to go have a friendly discussion with the race department director. Besides, I did hit their gates after I ran my 3 and 4 (on my four I backed off again not wanting to upset anyone and though I had already met my goal of number 2 stated above).

We left the arena. No feathers were ruffled other than ours as far as my wife and I could tell and set off to find a manager. We trekked through buildings, got wrong directions and finally found the office. No one in. We left a written note and asked to be contacted about the NASTAR venue.

Its been over 24 hours and we have since e-mailed them and sent in a comment on their “Customer Satisfaction” form on their website.

Not a call, not chirp, no response at all.

By the way, there were at least 4 Instructors, two of whom I know, who told me I must report this.

Did I say no response at all?

Well that bottom line is that I never took a 5th run and never got on the gates as I could. Here’s the Season Standings for the Men’s 50-54 Platinum National Ranking

NASTAR Men's 50-54 Platinum National Ranking

Pretty funny, HUH? 2/10ths of 1 percent. Pretty funny.

And I wasn’t even asked to leave after all that and I did hit their gates,,,

So I must downgrade my review of the Deer Valley NASTAR

The arena, course setting and basic operations stays at a whopping 4 thumbs up.



Customer relations and communications and staff understanding what a NASTAR race arena is a disappointing three thumbs down



This leaves them at a net one thumbs up.



I hope they improve on this as they should be a whopping 4 thumbs up, but that’s if they let their NASTAR customers race. You can’t tell someone you are having a NASTAR race and you can’t ski the course to the best of your ability, within reason. Experienced racers will almost always ski a course within reason.

So,

Parking $20
Lift Tickets for 1/2 the Mountain $154
4 NASTAR Runs $20

Missing the year end Number 1 Overall Standing by 2/10ths of one percent when you could easily have gone a half second faster if you had HIT their gates?

Priceless

By the way, I wrote this with my tongue firmly planting in my cheek so if anyone wants to make comments about taking NASTAR too seriously,,,,,,, Nevermind, I can't stop the madness anyway.


But I can start my own racing forum
post #13 of 29
Gary- you are a better man than I.

After not finding anyone in the offices I most certainly would have gone back for one more run. Yes, when you were done, you might have had some bruises, but the statisfaction of skiing that super tight line and perhaps causing the attendent to get off of his butt would have been worth it.

Do you suppose they would pitch that 10YR whose Mom paid while standing there in her oh so cute Bogner outfit on a busy saturday. You know, the kid who fell and took out 2-3 gates? of course not.


Do you take Nastar tooo seriously- probably. But who are we to judge.

thanks for the followup- now get back to the tuning bench.
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
Gary- you are a better man than I.

After not finding anyone in the offices I most certainly would have gone back for one more run. Yes, when you were done, you might have had some bruises, but the statisfaction of skiing that super tight line and perhaps causing the attendent to get off of his butt would have been worth it.

Do you suppose they would pitch that 10YR whose Mom paid while standing there in her oh so cute Bogner outfit on a busy saturday. You know, the kid who fell and took out 2-3 gates? of course not.


Do you take Nastar tooo seriously- probably. But who are we to judge.

thanks for the followup- now get back to the tuning bench.

Trust me, I thought about taking the appropriate black Descente shell with my logo on the back off and shining every double panel (done it before at PCMR) but as my wife says - I was a PodMan and left like a good boy.

We did ask for two tickets for the hassle so I could go back one last time to get my ranking back but haven't heard a word

I do have a 70s Bogner in a closet somewhere and can probably get into it, if I go back it will most definitely be in the Bogner
post #15 of 29
Hopefully they will improve their program as it matures. It is one of the more pricey NASTAR venues, so I'm sure they can afford a couple guys for gate maintenance. They also need to hire racers or former racers to run the program, as they would more likely be willing to deal with those of us who *gasp* touch the gates.
post #16 of 29

Dilbert visits Deer Valley NASTAR

Whaaaaaa??? Is this Dilbert meets ski racing? Since we are far into the silly zone, here are some possible replies that might be uttered from the Dilbert staff.

"How come? Do they hit back?"

"Are you sure? When your supervisor said there is a "no touching" rule, are you sure he wasn't directing that towards you?"

"Oh. OK. Say, I'm a newbie to racing. What are the hinges on the bottom for?"

"Does that mean that cross-blocking is out of the question?"

"Oh, no, man. I won't touch them. I'm going to bash the s*#@ out of them."

"So, they let you work in there with a broken leg?"

"No touching? That makes sense. With the heavy discounting here at Deer Valley, gate bashing might bring the mountain to financial ruin."

"Ha! Ha! Ha! Come, on, Billy take that mask off. No, really, man. Take it off."

"Oh, Duuuuude! I'm being punked, right? So, where's the camera?" head whipping around "Hiiiii Mommmmm!""

Last, if those don't work, I think you should ask to inspect the course. As you go by each panel, reach out with your index finger and push the turning pole. Loudly cry "Oops!" with each touch.

Geesh, Gary! That's gotta be a first in my book. But, thanks for keeping MSR in high esteem.
post #17 of 29
Great post Gary! Too funny.

I'm a little annoyed with Stowe's race dept right now. My 4 y.o. (racing age = 3) got a NASTAR Platinum when we were skiing on Sunday and I can't really gloat until they get off thier ass and post the results. It was her first race run ever and she made us keep going back all day.
post #18 of 29
BTW Gary, the guy who is ranked ahead of you (Paul Metz) was running NASTAR at Breckenridge when we were out there in mid March. He was doing the course in a suit with Atomic GS11s. I got my best handicap ever on that course -10.11 running Fischer AMC 76s with CH8 wax in ski pants and a soft shell jacket. I'd been struggling to break 20 on our beer league courses all year with race skis and a suit!
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by John V. View Post
BTW Gary, the guy who is ranked ahead of you (Paul Metz) was running NASTAR at Breckenridge when we were out there in mid March. He was doing the course in a suit with Atomic GS11s. I got my best handicap ever on that course -10.11 running Fischer AMC 76s with CH8 wax in ski pants and a soft shell jacket. I'd been struggling to break 20 on our beer league courses all year with race skis and a suit!
Well there you go then I do appreciate the intel, I see a HS type challenge coming here, don't you?

And now I've slipped to number 3 in Utah an you should see the schlub he kicked me back another spot :

BTW working on a little racing project (kinda of a black box thing at the moment). Should be fun when it goes public, in the meantime here's a shot from my test of the R11 as a NASTAR tool. I've finally figured the ski out and it definitely fills a niche for NASTAR (like the Elan 777)

I've got a lot of sequences and video in the can and may have some interesting and perhaps controversial technical stuff up - somewhere fairly soon.

post #20 of 29

Oops, jumped the gun, maybe

Well,,,,, it turns out we got a call today from the concerned mountain manager at DV. The Top Dog. Now mind you he probably hasn't read my post but in my defense, Mr. E, I did give you guys 24 hours and stomped all over the place trying to find someone to listen while I was there (instead of taking the last run that would have restored my rightful crown, see post above by helpful bystander).

So I'll update you all when I hear what DV has to say to us. If they make this right (not sure how, at this point they can other than going into that day's results and changing my time to a 3.44 HC, that's what need guys, that's not too much to ask, right? I mean its as fair as some of the HC's these venues hand out like cotton candy, eh?) I will restore my very important venue rating (or is it ranting)

So I'll be back with rundown on how this ends up. I'm thinking putting the MSR.com team in charge of the DV NASTAR - yeah, that's the ticket
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by Gary Dranow View Post
Well there you go then I do appreciate the intel, I see a HS type challenge coming here, don't you?

And now I've slipped to number 3 in Utah an you should see the schlub he kicked me back another spot :

BTW working on a little racing project (kinda of a black box thing at the moment). Should be fun when it goes public, in the meantime here's a shot from my test of the R11 as a NASTAR tool. I've finally figured the ski out and it definitely fills a niche for NASTAR (like the Elan 777)

I've got a lot of sequences and video in the can and may have some interesting and perhaps controversial technical stuff up - somewhere fairly soon.

Very few folks would use the word schlub:

What? Putz isn't good enough for you?
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
Great post Gary! Too funny.

I'm a little annoyed with Stowe's race dept right now. My 4 y.o. (racing age = 3) got a NASTAR Platinum when we were skiing on Sunday and I can't really gloat until they get off thier ass and post the results. It was her first race run ever and she made us keep going back all day.
Becareful, the NASTAR Addiction can be STRONG in the young ones, sometimes there is no turning back :

Congrats on her first Platinum!!!
post #23 of 29
She was mostly just testing wax. LF10 + Holmenkol Molybdenum Additiv on her 76cm Luv Bugs. She REALLY wanted to race in the Sugar Slalom today but I don't think they have J10s.
post #24 of 29
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She was mostly just testing wax. LF10 + Holmenkol Molybdenum Additiv on her 76cm Luv Bugs. She REALLY wanted to race in the Sugar Slalom today but I don't think they have J10s.
I'm at Stowe today. Skiing is amazing. Absolutely amazing, for this time of year. Hmmm... 3 years old? No school? More snow in the forecast.

The heck with racing. The woods, steeps, deeps are calling! (And, of course, as her father, it is your obligation to take her around. I think there is a law about that somewhere. There must be...)
post #25 of 29
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The heck with racing. The woods, steeps, deeps are calling! (And, of course, as her father, it is your obligation to take her around. I think there is a law about that somewhere. There must be...)
Agreed. There is a time and a place for racing, and it AIN'T on a powder day!!!
post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by John V.
BTW Gary, the guy who is ranked ahead of you (Paul Metz) was running NASTAR at Breckenridge when we were out there in mid March. He was doing the course in a suit with Atomic GS11s. I got my best handicap ever on that course -10.11 running Fischer AMC 76s with CH8 wax in ski pants and a soft shell jacket. I'd been struggling to break 20 on our beer league courses all year with race skis and a suit!
My son and I ran the course at Breck on Sunday 4/1 with Little Tiger. Rick (Fastman) was coaching. It was late in the afternoon and the course was pretty soft. I nearly managed a gold (missed by .16) with a handicap of just over 24 wearing a parka and ski pants. OTOH, the next day at Vail my best run was a 29 handicap. The Vail Nastar course is steeper and faster, which, I believe, makes it a little more difficult.

Maybe Nastar could rate race hills similar to the way the USGA rates golf courses. In addition to a scratch (par) rating, there is a slope rating, or resistance to scoring/low times. i.e. a 10.0 index is a 9 hcp. on an easier course with a 100 slope, but is a 12 on a hard course with a 140 slope. It would make calculation of the handicap only slightly harder. However, getting all the race hills rated correctly would be a logistical nightmare.

BTW, I had a great time skiing with Rick and LT.
post #27 of 29
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Maybe Nastar could rate race hills similar to the way the USGA rates golf courses. In addition to a scratch (par) rating, there is a slope rating, or resistance to scoring/low times. i.e. a 10.0 index is a 9 hcp. on an easier course with a 100 slope, but is a 12 on a hard course with a 140 slope. It would make calculation of the handicap only slightly harder. However, getting all the race hills rated correctly would be a logistical nightmare.
I made the exact same suggestion to HQ last year (or maybe the year before). Its a great idea! A slope rating for the hill (how appropriate, slope rating, get it, hehe). I'm not sure how hard getting the hills rated, BTW. HQ has tons of data to draw from on every hill and with a little creative thinking could create a formula that would do it. Heck, if NASTAR had that this year it might have saved me my coveted ranking
post #28 of 29
How would the hill rating take into account that the pacesetter runs their timed runs in their biggest slowest jacket and pants (per management request) while their hungover as hell. Or run the course on Teles.

It's pretty funny watching the pacesetter scrambling to rerun the course/reset par time when you've skied a -7 handicap.
post #29 of 29
Or a Minus 7
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