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post #31 of 50
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Originally Posted by Bode Klammer View Post
Jonny, you've been living in Upstate NY too long. From the perspective of our friends in NYC, LI and the Hudson Valley, Glens Falls is exactly in the middle of nowhere.

BK
From the perspective of NYC, *anywhere* out of site of a Starbucks is the middle of nowhere
post #32 of 50
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Originally Posted by Bode Klammer View Post
The asking price is clearly based on its development potential, not its use as a ski area.
The listing term "Land Conservation 42.7 acre zoning" doesn't bode well for development potential. Usually if a tract is suitable for development and subdividable the realtor will lead with that fact. This part of the listing, "or an exceptional site for a private residence!" is also code for "unable to subdivide."
post #33 of 50
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
From the perspective of NYC, *anywhere* out of site of a Starbucks is the middle of nowhere
Is that "line of sight"?

It is a typical business problem, a family place that has new debt and doesn't need a lot to "crack the nut" is bought by someone that will have a big mortgage and more costs to stay in business.
post #34 of 50
Annual Snowfall: 75 inches ???

http://www.usskiing.com/overview.cfm/ny20.htm
post #35 of 50
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
For a comparision: What do you think a place like Magic is worth?
Didn't Sugarbush sell for less than 10 million a few years ago?
post #36 of 50
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
Gore is very close to the area as well. It's only about 20 minutes past Hickory.
Hmm, that's not good. The state's got plenty of money to make life difficult for the competition. Lots of complaints lately around here by Hunter, Windham, etc., about Belleayre's sugar daddy.
post #37 of 50
I'm buying a powerball ticket tomorrow.
post #38 of 50
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Originally Posted by moguljunkie View Post
Hmm, that's not good. The state's got plenty of money to make life difficult for the competition. Lots of complaints lately around here by Hunter, Windham, etc., about Belleayre's sugar daddy.

Who cares! If it were purchased by Epic members, making money is not the most important consideration.. We want our own ski area to mess around.
post #39 of 50
[quote=Paul Jones;671472] Also, snowmaking requires grooming. If you blow snow and let it sit you will have slick ice.
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I can name 3 trails off the top of my head at Mt Snow (Bear Trap, Fallen Timbers and Ripcord) that went essentially the entire month of February, ungroomed ever since they made snow on them, and were perfect, non icy, grippy snow all month long.

If you let the manmade sit an drain out BEFORE grooming it, as long as mother nature doesn't give you a thaw/freeze cycle, you'll get (and keep) a great surface to ski on. Its the working of the man-made snow with the 10,000lb groomers that will lead to the slick surface forming.

Plus on a hill like Hickory, lets be honest, its more of a Mad River Glen "ski it if you can" mentality, not a super buffed cord cruiser hill. Just blow some whales of snow, let it bump up like it did on its own back in the good old snowy winter days, and go for it. If you made a ton of snow and groomed it at Hickory, then it would loose its unique character, if you made the snow and then let it ski semi "au natural" then you'd still have the Hickory charm.
post #40 of 50
Even MRG grooms its main arteries. Some grooming will need to be done.
post #41 of 50
[quote=jasdmd0;671668]
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
Also, snowmaking requires grooming. If you blow snow and let it sit you will have slick ice.
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If you let the manmade sit an drain out BEFORE grooming it, as long as mother nature doesn't give you a thaw/freeze cycle, you'll get (and keep) a great surface to ski on. Its the working of the man-made snow with the 10,000lb groomers that will lead to the slick surface forming.

I'm no expert on snowmaking, but I do ski in the east alot. I have found that snowmaking while it is being blown makes for soft powder like snow. If that snow sits, it will ice up and require grooming. So a trail that has the snowmaking on will have great conditions and the next day be firm.

Snowmaking requires grooming to work well.
post #42 of 50
Snowmaking is expensive and requires enormous amounts of water. The listing stated water was supplied by "spring" so its doubtful that this property has anywhere near the kind of water supply required for snowmaking operations.

From what I've read, this ski area operated at a loss with a volunteer workforce and in its last season was only open 22 days due to low snowfall.
post #43 of 50
Breck is on target re $$ so is Paul --the APA is a monster !!!

The. Big Tupper Ski area re-development that was proposed in Tupper Lake several yrs ago has been red taped to death by this paper shuffling outfit . Im all for conservation and environmental quality within reason

Any outfit dealing with APA better have DEEP pockets and Bring Boodles of cash to withstand their review process --it's interminable

Big Tupper is still nothing but LOKOP ( Looks OK On Paper ) so far --welcome to the land of Overegulation
post #44 of 50
Sounds like a nice place to plant a big log cabin on...and keep it for you're self. Forget the grooming and snowmaking, just use what falls. If you have the money for this, you prolly have plenty of money to ski wherever you want. A private hill...nice!
post #45 of 50
Just got a call back from the agent.

The place is under contract, any offer submitted hence will be considered backup offer. Anyway, they are just selling the land, the building and the lifts are throw in as is without any warrenty. The agent did not give any more hope for further development than we have discussed here. Any move/change must be approved by APA and that is rough. She indicated that even to updated the current tows would require a bit struggle.:
post #46 of 50

Steep not Tall

Steepness here (it could be argued) refers to degree of pitch not to amount of vertical drop.
post #47 of 50
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Originally Posted by eyeski View Post
Sounds like a nice place to plant a big log cabin on...and keep it for you're self. Forget the grooming and snowmaking, just use what falls. If you have the money for this, you prolly have plenty of money to ski wherever you want. A private hill...nice!
exactly!!! i thought I was the only one thinking along those lines.

( I grew up driving 45 minutes to my 300 vert ice hill in minnesota. Along the way, I passed a house with a truck using its straight axle as a rope lift. I have been forever jealous.)
post #48 of 50
I don't think you can put a log cabin on the land. It will be a major struggle with APA for any modifications to the property.
post #49 of 50
I skied HH when I was a kid growing up 20 min away. Abit off the beaten path. The local group who operated it could not afford to keep it going anymore.

Once you get past Lake George the Northway gets pretty quiet except for maybe on a Fri/Sun in the summer. We used to call Lake George village the pimple at the end of the lake which broke open every summer....yuk :wink:

BTW, Wildcat and Maple Valley are still for sale, 1.5m could get you MV and 2m is still the asking price for Wildcat. Ragged was recently sold.
post #50 of 50
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Originally Posted by iskitoofast4u View Post
Didn't Sugarbush sell for less than 10 million a few years ago?
Not sure of SB, but Ascutney, in Vermont and not a bad hill, sold for $1 million a few years ago.
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