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post #1 of 31
Thread Starter 
Ok, following the ever popular thread....

Here's what we are now down to:

Ski use is for Steamboat trees and ungroomed areas; skis will not be used for Groomed.

6', 178# level 8

Gotamas 183
Seths 179
Mantras 183
Elan 888 (not sure of length but you get the idea)
Head 88's 175's
Dynastar Mythic Rider (not known)
HellCats (size not known)
Write in vote. Nothing wider than the goats please!

Go ahead and make Phil proud! Phil is prohibited from posting preferences on this thread since he can pick the perfect ski for any terrain! Right Ira?
post #2 of 31
Your list is a little narrow (the list, not the skis ), Most of these are too stiff for a 175 lbs skier in powder.

I would go with soft Bros.

Michael
post #3 of 31
I have the Seths in that length, but am one or two (OK, 10) pounds heavier.
post #4 of 31
No love for the Atua?
post #5 of 31
Head Mojo 90 in a 176cm length. Much more forgiving than the IM 88s & have better float in soft snow. The IM 88s do better on hard snow but you already has a ski for hard snow.
post #6 of 31
179 soft bro’s
178 8800/Mythic Rider


Shortish Big Troubles?
Scratch BC’s
post #7 of 31
188 soft BROS. If it's a pow only ski, especially for trees, look at the praxis.


I would not go shorter than 180 in a pow/offpiste only ski.
post #8 of 31
I'm going to go against the typical tide here and recommend that you seriously consider the Elan M999 in a 192cm. Don't let that length scare you. It's really like a 188cm if you measure them like most manufacturers (chord length) and then it's a twin tip with almost a rockered tip and tail (it has a very short contact length, akin to a 180cm ski). They're 99mm under foot with a nice softness at the tip and tail that make them great in powder (especially at your weight), but they still have 2 sheets of metal and are much stiffer underfoot so that they can handle the groomed fairly well.

You can find the M999 right now at ridiculously low prices (especially the 192cm). Take either this seasons or last seasons (with the cherry wood topsheet) they're the same ski.

The M999 changes quite a bit for next season as the 999 WOOD. There's no more metal in it and the tail is no longer a twin. I say jump on an M999 deal and don't look back. If the 192cm seems too long you could consider the 181cm, but I honestly think that would be too short for you (it has the same contact length as a normal 165cm ski).
post #9 of 31
179 Seth, no question.

My wife loves hers
post #10 of 31
Why is everything so short? No way should a 6 footer be skiing a 175 in a fat ski.
post #11 of 31
^^^^ I agree - he'll be fighting to not go over the handle bars on anything that short in the fluff. Definitely should be on something in the mid-180s at least.
post #12 of 31
Gots, hands down. They float well, and turn on a dime. Best ski I have ever skied. Would be awesome in the glades at Steamboat.
post #13 of 31
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
Why is everything so short? No way should a 6 footer be skiing a 175 in a fat ski.
But he wants something highly manoverable in the trees too. Granted 175 would be way too short and limiting in some situations, but a 178-186 should be about perfect (depending on ski...) for what he wants. Right?
post #14 of 31
183 Goat
post #15 of 31
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
Why is everything so short? No way should a 6 footer be skiing a 175 in a fat ski.


Reason # 126 under "Why powder skis should be long"

A little data

Running surface on a 188cm Dynastar Inspired by Nobis = 158cm

Running surface on a 178cm Dynastar Contact 11 = 156.5cm

Rule # 27 under "When buying twin tips";

Add 9cm to the length when of a twin tip when comparing twin tip skis to flat skis.

Michael
post #16 of 31
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
183 Goat
Seconded.
post #17 of 31
Scott P4 181cm
post #18 of 31
I've skied the 183 Goat, 179 Seth and 184 Mantra, each on separate days at Alta (up on Catherine's off Supreme) and each with lots of deep/fresh then progressively more beat-up snow. I'm 5'8" 155 and it's the 183 Gotama in a walk-over for me >>> IMHO you should demo the 190 as part of your process.

Sully
post #19 of 31
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Originally Posted by Mithras View Post
But he wants something highly manoverable in the trees too. Granted 175 would be way too short and limiting in some situations, but a 178-186 should be about perfect (depending on ski...) for what he wants. Right?
A shorter fat ski will not necessarily make it more maneuverable. Maneuverabiltiy in soft snow comesdown to flex- the more the force of the snow against the base flexes the ski, the quicker it will be to turn. Take a 191 Elan M999 (noodle) vs. a 178 superstiff Bro in soft snow and the Elan will feel turnier.

Not to mention that the trees out west are football fields apart compared to in the east.
post #20 of 31
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
Not to mention that the trees out west are football fields apart compared to in the east.
I don't remotely regard that as a given. It depends on line choice, and he can certainly find trees no wider spaced than his shoulder blades, if that's what he chooses.
post #21 of 31

Two that got left out . . . .

I think a demo of both the 186 Line Prophet 100 and the 188 Salomon 1080 Gun (101mm under foot) would be wise. Both of them are super quick under foot and soft enough for a dedicated soft snow ski. The 188 soft Bro would be a solid bet as well . . . . I will have a set of never mounted 188's showing up on my doorstep in the near future and will be selling them ASAP. Great ski, but doesn't work for my style: .
post #22 of 31
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
I don't remotely regard that as a given. It depends on line choice, and he can certainly find trees no wider spaced than his shoulder blades, if that's what he chooses.
Yup, that's exactly what I'm talking about. There are a lot of tight trees and some tight lines there. Closets, Christmas trees and some other areas on the front side accessed from Morningside.
post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by tchpdx View Post
I will have a set of never mounted 188's [BROs] showing up on my doorstep in the near future and will be selling them ASAP. Great ski, but doesn't work for my style: .

How do you know this if you haven't skied them?
post #24 of 31
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tchpdx View Post
I think a demo of both the 186 Line Prophet 100 and the 188 Salomon 1080 Gun (101mm under foot) would be wise. Both of them are super quick under foot and soft enough for a dedicated soft snow ski. The 188 soft Bro would be a solid bet as well . . . . I will have a set of never mounted 188's showing up on my doorstep in the near future and will be selling them ASAP. Great ski, but doesn't work for my style: .

Hey, Add the Bro' to the list, nice ski, please give me the "offer I can't refuse" what is the surface length of the Bro?
post #25 of 31
For exactly what you ask about (soft snow only, trees and tight places), most of the skis you mention are either spectacularly wrong (you've listed a bunch of thick, beefy crudbuster-megacarvers) or overkill (long Goat, Mantra). The Seth is OK, but I'd go with either THIS year's Mantra in 177, maybe 184; or better, a 180-ish 1080 Gun, which handles tight places better than any other ski you've listed, and would flex about right for someone of your size wanting quick, fluid turns. (Weight being more relevant than height here). Good luck
post #26 of 31
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
How do you know this if you haven't skied them?

I've been skiing a set of 188 soft blems since early January. I've got 10+ days on them and the 41m turn radius is a bit much for me and my style of skiing (short and mid-radius turns).

They are awesome straight line and big GS skis and can be put into a deep carve if pushed - shorter radius turns require a good deal of effort, but skidding is effortless. The Bro is solid in crud and floated well in the boot top high PNW powder I've had it in. The Bro's accelerate incredibly fast and I've found myself at mach speed more often than not - very very stable, but very fast.

I really like the ski and have been very impressed with PM Gear . I've posted in other threads that I struggle with some knee swelling and find that shorter radius skis like the Mantra are much easier on said knee. I also enjoy the quickness under foot that the Mantra and other skis with more side cut offer. If PM Gear makes a ski with similar dimensions I'd be at the top of the line for a purchase.
post #27 of 31
I have heard that the Rossi Scratch BC/Sick Bird rides short. Ran into a guy with a pair of 185s and he said he measured the contact length and it was more like 177.

I know you said nothing wider than a Goat, but I just spent the past 4 days riding Spatulas and I gotta say that's the sickest powder ski I've ever ridden. I was whipping through trees at Homewood, Alpine, Northstar, and Sugarbowl like I never have before. They turn on a dime. They also negotiate soft moguls like none of the other skis I've ever ridden.

Before I bought the Spats my only powder ski was the Mantra.

To compare the two in powder, well that would be a faux pas. The Spat whips the Mantra's hiney hands down, even in 3 day old tracked out pow.

Case in point, yesterday (Thursday 3/1) I went to Sugarbowl. This was 3 days after the last serious storm, so even though there was still plenty of fluff laying around, most of it was seriously tracked out. I did one run on my Mantras, almost falling over the handlebars on several occasions and feeling really sluggish. Went immediately back to the truck, stashed the Mantras and jumped back on the Spats. Spent the rest of the day chasing stashes with a retired high school teacher I met on the lift (he was whupping my a$$ with his first gen neon yellow Explosives, but I kept up with him).

if this is a purely dedicated powder ski, then get something like the Spatula: the aforementioned Praxis, the Armada ARG, the DP Lotus (Tyrone Shoelaces can chime in about these), I also know that there's the Pontoon and the Goode Scoop.

Also, if you're tree skiing you might want to scope out the Icelantics (Noodler can chime in about these).

Anyway, the reverse camber Spat is easily the funnest ski I own in my quiver and is easily the most rippingest powder dedicated plant I have ridden. I can't wait to get them out again.
post #28 of 31
Ron,

Can John Botti, Barrett & Dookey all be wrong?

(OK, I haven't ridden mine yet)

Cheers,

Michael
post #29 of 31
Since your premium is the softer snow, I'd suggest that you drop the Head 88, Mantra, Mythic, and the Hellcat. While wide, none of these offers me the comfortable easy going feel in the soft snow. The Got is my new favorite as a soft snow tool as it does everything that I want easily. The Seth is pretty similar except that it has more shape, and especially more shape in forebody and it is turnier than I like. This particular factor is a personal preference thing.

SJ
post #30 of 31
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Since your premium is the softer snow, I'd suggest that you drop the Head 88, Mantra, Mythic, and the Hellcat. While wide, none of these offers me the comfortable easy going feel in the soft snow. The Got is my new favorite as a soft snow tool as it does everything that I want easily. The Seth is pretty similar except that it has more shape, and especially more shape in forebody and it is turnier than I like. This particular factor is a personal preference thing.

SJ
Gotta agree here a bit, but having lived here for a couple years now, you also have to consider that here in the Boat, we don't have the steepest, most charging terrain in the industry. We're know for trees and powder. Seth's seem to be favored more than Got's out here because the Seth's are a bit turnier. Sometimes, especially out here, and when its bottomless (it was close a couple times in the past couple weeks, and yesterday and today - in spots) the stiffer skis suffer a bit unless you can find a spot for them to run (which isn't always the easiest thing).

Personally, I use a PE as an everday ski, a Line Prophet 100 (180cm) for teaching pow and most powder days here, and 189cm Viscious for epic days, or powder skiing elsewhere (where they can run).
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