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Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel or Modified?

post #1 of 22
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Hello,
My local shop has both of these skis at more than 50% off right now, since they are closeouts for the year, I cannot demo, unfortunately. So I need a little advice on what might fit my style better. I am 5'11"/165lbs, very good skier (7/8 maybe better) and like to ski very fast. I like bombing down ungroomed terrain, preferably gladed, will ski the occasional groomer (I live in the east so I kind of have to) but won't make many turns unless it's real steep. I ski on 181cm K2 Axis (111/70/101) skis now and they are like linguine to me, no pop out of turns. I am going to get either the Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel in 178cm or the Hot Rod Modified in 170cm (only options at this price). I like the idea of the extra 4mm of width on the Top Fuel. The guy at my shop says even the 178cm Top Fuels will turn quicker and shorter turns than my K2 Axis because of the deeper sidecut, with plenty more stability at speed and in longer turns. Then I talked to another guy who says get the Modifieds in 170cm because 178cm is too long for me. I am on the fence here and don't have much time to decide because both are under $600 with bindings and won't last long. PLEASE HELP...
post #2 of 22
Get the Modifieds. Especially in the East (although they are Bob Barnes' favorites here in Colorado), the more narrow skier will have better pruchase on hard snow, and it will ski great on soft days. The Top Fuel in 178 is (IMO) too much ski for you at 165 lbs. I think it's too much for me at 175, FWIW.
post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 
Ssh,
For all the reasons you mention, they make more sense, but won't the 178cm Top Fuels be more stable when I'm cranking medium-long turns at high speed? I guess I am concerned the long turn/high speed stability will lack with skis as short as 170cm, even if they are as wide as the Modifieds (still 8mm wider at the tip, 4mm waist and 7 mm wider at the tail than the K2 Axis I ski on now). Can it be possible the 170cm Modifieds would be acceptable at warp 9 speeds and also good in ungroomed backwoods skiing like Mad River Glen, Stowe or Jay Peak (some of my favorite mountains). Hope I get some more adivce to help make the right pick...thanks to all who respond, let it snow!!!!
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by TreezSkier View Post
I like bombing down ungroomed terrain, preferably gladed, will ski the occasional groomer (I live in the east so I kind of have to) but won't make many turns unless it's real steep.
This line makes me wonder about how good a skier you really are.

Assuming though that you're consciously choosing not to turn though, rather than being unable to, the Hot Rods are skis that are designed to turn no matter what length they are. I recently had a blast in slushy, spring-like conditions on a pair of 170 Top Fuels (I'm 5'11 and 210) and felt that they were plenty long enough, even though I'm normally a longboard supporter. Great pop out of turns (enough to go airbourne if you put a bit of extra energy into it) and excellent stability. At your weight, I'd go with the 170 Modifieds just because I don't think the 4mm is going to make that big of a difference that its worth getting the wrong length.
post #5 of 22
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Yes, choosing not to, so I can maintain lots of speed, one good thing about my K2's, I can turn any shape, but I like 11's down blue groomers, otherwise it's boring (as boring as skiing can be for me). Thanks for the last post, so what kind of drawbacks what I get if I chose the "wrong" length 178cm Top Fuels?
post #6 of 22
For what its worth, I think you're looking at entirely the wrong type of ski for what you plan on using them for. These things want to carve nice round turns, and forcing them to go straight is probably going to leave you wishing for something with less sidecut. That said, I felt as though for someone using them for their intended purpose, the 170 was a good length for me. I don't think that any length is going to make them behave particularly well while straightlining, so if you're going to buy a ski like this you may as well buy one that will do what its supposed to do properly.

I think you'd probably be better off on something like a 176 or 184 Rossi B3 or a 178 Dynastar Legend 8800- skis designed for offpiste use (don't let the extra girth fool you, the hot rods are carvers) with less sidecut making them much better suited to pointing 'em.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by TreezSkier View Post
Yes, choosing not to, so I can maintain lots of speed, one good thing about my K2's, I can turn any shape, but I like 11's down blue groomers, otherwise it's boring (as boring as skiing can be for me). Thanks for the last post, so what kind of drawbacks what I get if I chose the "wrong" length 178cm Top Fuels?
A 178 in the Top Fuel is going to be too much ski! I am also 210#ish and 5'11". I ski the Top Fuel in a 170 and it's just right for me. At your specs and level 7/8 the Modified in a 170 would be a great choice.

Except - for the type of skiing you describe. If you like groomers and GS turns and don't get into the bumps and crud, why not buy a ski taylored to those conditions? Take a look at some of the other Nordicas.

Steiner's?
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by TreezSkier View Post
Ssh,

Can it be possible the 170cm Modifieds would be acceptable at warp 9 speeds and also good in ungroomed backwoods skiing like Mad River Glen, Stowe or Jay Peak (some of my favorite mountains).
I would say yes. If you plan to get into some nasty stuff, with bumps, crud, powder and the like - the Modified would be a great choice at your weight and skill. Don't buy it for groomers only.
post #9 of 22
The whole Troy contingent is strong today!
post #10 of 22
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No, I hate groomers, that is why I just bomb straight down them if nothing else is open. I like the gnarly ungroomed steep, twisty stuff, like Mad River Glen or Wildcat, NH offers when there's actually snow. My question got lost a little, I know both are probably more stable than my current sticks at any speed/turn shape, but basically will a 178cm Top Fuel turn as quick as my old 181cm K2 Axis with more pop out of the turn? And wouldn't a 170cm Modified be less stable at very high speeds through chop than the 178 TF, or doesn't matter since I only weigh 165???

Yeah, Troy is everywhere here, great to see.......to answer the Q, yes Steiner's, great deals right now.....
post #11 of 22
While you guys are all assembled here, which ski shop in the area has the best bootfitting? I hate to take this OT, but I have a tough-to-fit foot and not sure if I should be going to High Adventure, Steiner's, Ski Market..
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
Steiner's in Glenmont is is the "america's best bootfitters" website, but Racer's Edge in Glens Falls is excellent as well, if you can travel, Green Mountain Orthotic Lab next to Stratton, VT is the best in the East....
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by TreezSkier View Post
No, I hate groomers, that is why I just bomb straight down them if nothing else is open. I like the gnarly ungroomed steep, twisty stuff, like Mad River Glen or Wildcat, NH offers when there's actually snow. My question got lost a little, I know both are probably more stable than my current sticks at any speed/turn shape, but basically will a 178cm Top Fuel turn as quick as my old 181cm K2 Axis with more pop out of the turn? And wouldn't a 170cm Modified be less stable at very high speeds through chop than the 178 TF, or doesn't matter since I only weigh 165???
For what it's worth I have the TF in a 178 - I'm 6' 180/5 and love it for the east. I've skied it on boilerplate and in 2+feet at Jay and LOVED it in both situations. If you want to rocket around the mtn. there is not much else better out there that aren't race skis (my opinion). I'm not sure about handling the 178 at your weight but if you are a strong skier I think you won't have a problem and you'll probably become a stronger skier on these. Keep in mind these things are freight trains - no relaxing because they will kick you if you get lazy on them. They are also HEAVY - some of the heaviest skis I think have ever picked up and you can really feel it *edit* (stability). Short radius turns are not the TF's specialty but it IS quick, is very very stable, and will rocket you out of turns. I posted a review here when I first got on them at the beginning of the 05/06 season I'm sure it's still around. There is no comparison between them and the Axis

*edit* Found the review: Here
post #14 of 22
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Good to hear one person doesn't think I'm crazy to get 178 TF's...everyone makes it sound like you need to be a 220lb Bode Miller to ski them...what are the 186cm Top Fuel's for, Shaq ripping like Hermann Maier???? Heading to Steiner's lunch hour today, I'll probably end up with the Modified's 170cm, I'm sure they won't disappoint making long turns at high speeds, and won't be as much a workload in the tight and steep stuff...plus they are $65 cheaper, I'll get some sweet goggles or maybe weekday lift ticket to Stowe (isn't it crazy how high these have gotten?) Thanks everyone, later.....
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by TreezSkier View Post
I'll probably end up with the Modified's 170cm, I'm sure they won't disappoint making long turns............
This is a VERY good decision, STICK WITH IT!!

The TF is much stiffer than most other skis in this width range and it skis BIG. If you were looking at say the Nitrous, then possibly the 178 would be OK, but really, for your weight, a 170 is all that you will need in any of the top 6 Nordi models.

Just out of idle curiosity....what is your age??

SJ
post #16 of 22
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I am 28 years old, have been skiing since 2nd or 3rd grade, still in decent shape although I don't play competitive sports anymore. I actually went and bought the 170cm Modifieds on my lunch break, having them mount the bindings up and will pick them up at 7pm tonight, I am stoked!!! We are getting snow tonight and I will be out there tomorrow, thanks for all the input everyone, I'm sure I won't be let down.....
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by TreezSkier View Post
I am 28 years old, have been skiing since 2nd or 3rd grade, still in decent shape although I don't play competitive sports anymore. I actually went and bought the 170cm Modifieds on my lunch break, having them mount the bindings up and will pick them up at 7pm tonight, I am stoked!!! We are getting snow tonight and I will be out there tomorrow, thanks for all the input everyone, I'm sure I won't be let down.....
Congrats man, new gear is always great. Report back on how you like em.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
While you guys are all assembled here, which ski shop in the area has the best bootfitting? I hate to take this OT, but I have a tough-to-fit foot and not sure if I should be going to High Adventure, Steiner's, Ski Market..
No thanks to Steiner's. I like Darrell at High Adventure and he'll be straight with you. Both shops in Glens Falls are real good: Inside edge and Sports Page.

I go to GMOL for extensive work.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by TreezSkier View Post
I actually went and bought the 170cm Modifieds on my lunch break....
I missed this! Good choice. Where ya gonna go?

Killington for me, Friday.
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by Sphinx15 View Post

*edit* Found the review: Here
That review is what got me thinking about the TF. Moving from the 724 Pro to the Fop Fuel has been incredible. What a ski for my size and my skiing. Nordica is putting out some fine equipment.

Nice review.
post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 
Just wanted to say thanks to those who gave responses, very helpful. I've gotten out twice with my new Hot Rod Modified 170's and am extremely happy with the choice, these things have UNREAL edge hold compared to my old K2 Axis, they do not chatter at all even at absurd speeds, they have much more rebound energy and I can turn just about any shape I need to. They are a little heavy, but don't feel it at all once given a little speed. I skied today at Mt. Snow (WM freebie), mostly hardpack, brought the Axis with me for a side by side comparison and didn't even stop to put the K2's on. The Modifieds seem a little stiff and grippy for big moguls, and although they are ok there, I didn't buy them for ripping zipperlines. Overall, if there is a better east ski out there, I gotta try it, it's amazing how much better these new skis are than my 2nd generation shaped skis. Thanks again everyone.....
post #22 of 22
Great to hear that you are happy with 'em. I made a couple of runs on them last week and was reminded what a great shape and great ski this is. Nordica is dumping the Mod. and Eliminator next year, and I'm sorry to see them go. I suppose it makes sense though with their Speedmachines getting up to 72mm wide now.

SJ
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